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Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol
20. Okt 2022, 09:08 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 25. Okt 2022, 12:48 (UTC)
# 11

The only reason why the "unique" weapon exists is because PA wanted to force all Shai players into RPing. The reality is the weapon isn't unique and what was sort of unique about it was taken away, yea her dp shred. 

Her Sol is suppose to make her songs stronger the higher you enhance it. But the truth is, the only thing it does is what witch/wiz can do without any weapon enhancements. It's completely backwards and a smack in the face. The only redeeming quality it had was that it made DP shred stronger, but they deemed that to OP after it being that way for two years straight and Shai on bottom of the grinding list. Yeah......

Just make Sol like every other weapon and while they are at it give Shai T3 skill add ons like everyone else.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Okt 2022, 20:53 (UTC)
# 12
On: Oct 20, 2022, 09:08 (UTC), Written by Blondiie

Title: Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol

Family Name: Celestial_Moon

Region (NA/EU): EU

Suggestion/Comments: 

With the recent addition of the Adventurer's Feedback, I feel like now is the time to really push for fair treatment when it comes to Shai's Talent/Awakening Weapon. 

TLDR at bottom.

For years Shai's have been excluded out of quests, catch-up mechanics, stats and have been forced into enhancing their own gear, even though some may prefer to buy their gear. All of this is due to the fact that Shai's Talent Weapon, the Artina Sol, is "unique". 

In short, I believe PA needs to revamp the Artina Sol into two variations: 

- Dandelion Sol

- Blackstar Sol

Issues with the Artina Sol

Even since Shai was released, there was problems with the Artina Sol, mainly being forced to enhance it yourself and not being able to buy/sell the weapon. As time has gone by, the Artina Sol has become even more of an issue now we have features such as Jetina's Guaranteed Pen Quests, Tagging, etc, that the Artina Sol is excluded from. This issue is only going to get worse in the future as more content comes out.

Here is a list of all the current issues with the Artina Sol: (forgive me if i miss some)

- Cannot Buy/Sell the Artina Sol

- PEN Sol is not obtainable from Jetina's Guaranteed Pen Quest

- Artina Sol is not taggable

- Sol cannot be caphrased unlike every other class' Awakening weapon, meaning the Sol is missing stats that can otherwise be obtained by non-Shais

- No option for Blackstar Sol, again making Shais miss out on the extra stats BS offers

- Not being able to tag the Sol means you need to buy an extra Garmoth's Heart and Crystals for your tag

- Sol cannot be weapon exchange couponed

Even though the Artina Sol has the exact same stats as a Dandelion, including Cron cost and enhancement chances, just because its labeled as "Artina" and not "Dandelion" has caused all of these issues.

My Suggestion of Dandelion/Blackstar Sol

I believe removing the Artina Sol from the game and replacing it with a Dandelion/Blackstar version and enabling the Sol to have the same content as other Dande/BS weapons, PA would be fixing one of Shai's biggest issues.

Below is how PA could make this transition from Artina > Dandelion/Blackstar fair:

- Replace the Boss Gear Exchanged Sol from Season to a Dandelion Sol

- Offer a one-time family quest to exchange PEN Artina Sol to either a PEN Dandelion Sol or TET Blackstar Sol (Please see * below for more information on my ideas for this quest)

- Enable quest to obtain PEN Dandelion Sol from Jetina

- Enable tagging of the Dandelion/Blackstar Sol

- Enable caphras of the Dandelion Sol

- Enable Dandelion/Blackstar Sol to be sold/bought on the marketplace

- Enable Dandelion/Blackstar Sol to be weapon exchange couponed

- Remove Artina Sol reward from Shai's Talent questline

*One Time Family Quest to Exchange PEN Artina Sol to PEN Dandelion or TET Blackstar

**Note: I suggest this quest be only available for PEN Artina Sol due to the fact that it is super easy to obtained TET Artina Sol from previous Seasons

- Artina NPC should offer a one-time family quest for the adventurer to hand over a PEN Artina Sol in exchange for either a PEN Dandelion Sol or TET Blackstar Sol.

- Adventurer must hand over 150-250mil (average mp price of a base Dandelion) to subset the cost of the free base Artina Sol that was given from completing the Talent Questline

- Adventurer can then chose either PEN Dande or TET Blackstar Sol as a quest reward

- (OPTIONAL) The PEN Dandelion/TET Blackstar received from this quest only is non-sellable, but can be tagged/couponed/etc

Shai's music stats with Dandelion or Blackstar

With Shai's Sol, she gains extra talent skill % with the enhancement of her Sol. With a PEN Artina Sol, Shai gets a +15% effect to a few of her skills.

Dandelion:

Exact same as Artina, PEN Dandelion = +15% talent skill

Caphras Levels dont effect shais talent %

Blackstar

Same conversion as with other classes, PEN Dandelion=TET Blackstar = +15% talent skills

PEN Blackstar doesnt add any extra % to talent skills

Please give your feedback on this and hopefully we can convince PA to give Shai fair treatment.

TLDR: 

Change Shai's Talent Weapon, Artina Sol, to two new variations, Dandelion Sol/Blackstar Sol and add the features that Shai's Sol is missing due to it being "unique"

Throw in a C10 Dandelion Sol conversion to PEN BS Sol with Dorin Morgrim would be great too.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 28. Okt 2022, 21:06 (UTC)
# 13

I would love this just to be able to tag my awakening to my Valk. God it feels painful to not be able to use my sol for tagging, always having to make new blackstars OR consume coupons just to get by in this game with a feature that nobody else suffers.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 29. Okt 2022, 18:40 (UTC)
# 14
On: Oct 25, 2022, 05:42 (UTC), Written by Musa4ever

Well, they call it Artina because of Shai's backstory.  So I could see them sticking to their guns on the name, but still...

Could just leave the name Artina in keeping with the backstory; just add on +12 All Species Dmg to Item Effects along with the other benefits not afforded to owning a Sol.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 31. Okt 2022, 18:47 (UTC)
# 15
On: Oct 29, 2022, 18:40 (UTC), Written by Twing

Could just leave the name Artina in keeping with the backstory; just add on +12 All Species Dmg to Item Effects along with the other benefits not afforded to owning a Sol.

I feel like the majority of the Sol's problems stem from the fact that its called "Artina".

i.e.

Can't tag the Artina Sol because "Artina" != "Dandelion", however you can tag the Tuvala Sol.

Can't get PEN Artina Sol from Jetina's Guarenteed PEN Boss gear because Artina is not a boss.

And what happens in the future if/when we get Fallen God Weapons?

Can't get C10 Artina Sol, we also can't get PEN Blackstar Sol. Is this another piece of content we are potentially going to be excluded from, with promises of compensation?

At this point I feel like the missing stats are the least of the Sol's problems. The Artina Sol needs to be removed and replaced already. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Nov 2022, 01:17 (UTC)
# 16
On: Oct 31, 2022, 18:47 (UTC), Written by Blondiie

I feel like the majority of the Sol's problems stem from the fact that its called "Artina".

i.e.

Can't tag the Artina Sol because "Artina" != "Dandelion", however you can tag the Tuvala Sol.

Can't get PEN Artina Sol from Jetina's Guarenteed PEN Boss gear because Artina is not a boss.

And what happens in the future if/when we get Fallen God Weapons?

Can't get C10 Artina Sol, we also can't get PEN Blackstar Sol. Is this another piece of content we are potentially going to be excluded from, with promises of compensation?

At this point I feel like the missing stats are the least of the Sol's problems. The Artina Sol needs to be removed and replaced already. 

And the pain to have to go thru enhancing. More than 20 attempts. Nothing.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Nov 2022, 02:55 (UTC)
# 17
On: Oct 31, 2022, 18:47 (UTC), Written by Blondiie

I feel like the majority of the Sol's problems stem from the fact that its called "Artina".

i.e.

Can't tag the Artina Sol because "Artina" != "Dandelion", however you can tag the Tuvala Sol.

Can't get PEN Artina Sol from Jetina's Guarenteed PEN Boss gear because Artina is not a boss.

And what happens in the future if/when we get Fallen God Weapons?

Can't get C10 Artina Sol, we also can't get PEN Blackstar Sol. Is this another piece of content we are potentially going to be excluded from, with promises of compensation?

At this point I feel like the missing stats are the least of the Sol's problems. The Artina Sol needs to be removed and replaced already. 

I'm no programmer, but I'm pretty sure the fix is as simple as 1s and 0s in the coding. "1" it's a Boss and "0" it isn't.  The name we see is superficial.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Nov 2022, 15:28 (UTC)
# 18

This is a perfect summary. 100% agree and think the solutions are really good!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Nov 2022, 15:34 (UTC)
# 19

I could not agree more. The limitations of the Sol never really made sense, and with the additions of PEN Jetina quests, tagging, and all the other points in this post, PA really needs to change the Sol weapon so that shai is treated fairly. I love tagging my shai but having a 2nd weapon with garmoth's heart and crystals is an extra inconvenience that no other class is forced into.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Nov 2022, 16:44 (UTC)
# 20

The tag event is ending soon, so much for "Copy your items & try out a new class" when Shai's can't copy their Sol.

Sucks that to try out a new class Shais have to get a new awakening weapon.

Its also a shame to all those who wanted to try out Shai with the event and was forced into enhancing a weapon just to see what the class is like.

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