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Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol
20. Okt 2022, 09:08 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 29. Nov 2022, 01:17 (UTC)
# 41

All classes should be equally treated in a game, not allowing shais to take part in important mechanics that other classes get is unfair. Especially, since Shai can't even defend their own grind spots. My guild literally has a joke that it is easier for a shai to win a 1v1 in rock, paper scissors, then it is for them to win in a 1v1 combat match. 

Moreover, every class is unique. That is not an excuse to not change the current system. Remember Sages Awakening weapon? Sages weapon was burried in ruins, That would make his weapon just as unique. What about Gaurdians Awakening weapon? Her weapon is a relic of the clan. I am pretty sure a special clan of warrior women would outsource their weapon crafting. Moverover, lets take a look at Nova's stuff. She is the last of her kind, how would anyone know the specifications of any of her weaponry? They wouldn't. History is written by the victors, her bloodline lost and was forgotten. Thus her classes weapon designs should be forgotten too. So how is there dangelion and blackstar versions of her weapons? 

The idea of Artina Sol not being able to have a dandelion or black star is a cop out... Because all of their classes equipment is unique. Every single one. All of them have backstory, especially the older classes. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 29. Nov 2022, 10:17 (UTC)
# 42

As a Shai main I get extremely frustrated every time the free tagging event comes along or they give out Marni fuel and I can't try out new classes, especially awakening specs. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 29. Nov 2022, 13:21 (UTC)
# 43

I believe that the Shai should get the Blackstar and dandi as in all other classes.

BUT those that choose to have the above weapons is for combat focus. The SOL in its current form is a primary use for support and to have those type of buffs while having a AP focused wep such as the Blackstar and dandi would be completely broken and unfair for the rest of the player base and all other chars.

So my vote is absolutely let them have it BUT in the process allow allow guaranteed method to only produce the Dandelion without the passives that the SOL gives.

Also the Sol for those that have it already should be able to put caphras in it to increase its stats to C20 and this should be on par with the Dandelion so if those that have the Sol currently can tag another class with the equivalent awakening weapon.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 29. Nov 2022, 13:32 (UTC)
# 44
On: Nov 29, 2022, 13:21 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

I believe that the Shai should get the Blackstar and dandi as in all other classes.

BUT those that choose to have the above weapons is for combat focus. The SOL in its current form is a primary use for support and to have those type of buffs while having a AP focused wep such as the Blackstar and dandi would be completely broken and unfair for the rest of the player base and all other chars.

So my vote is absolutely let them have it BUT in the process allow allow guaranteed method to only produce the Dandelion without the passives that the SOL gives.

Also the Sol for those that have it already should be able to put caphras in it to increase its stats to C20 and this should be on par with the Dandelion so if those that have the Sol currently can tag another class with the equivalent awakening weapon.

How many hours have you put into the Shai class?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 30. Nov 2022, 22:35 (UTC)
# 45
On: Nov 29, 2022, 13:32 (UTC), Written by Vanraven

How many hours have you put into the Shai class?

Lets cut the crap before you start asking dumb questions.

In what part of this would you possibly think its ok to put the above affects in addition to 10 extra AP and 12 extra accuracy not to mention Monster damage/all species damage +35 AND +3% crit damage then have the audacity to ask me if i ever played a Shai before. 

If you want the extra AP/Accuracy and monster/crit well go for it but you dont get the bonus skill effects of the Artina Sol there is a reason that this is class specific.

Just becouse you have to make it and or it is not sellable which i completely dont agree with you should be able to market it. The Sol is equal to the Dandilion base Pen But its skill effects at base pen i would drop all of that in a heart beat to have the above stats added to specific skills on my class especially for NW siege. 
It sucks that you cant tag the gear but then again you dont have to worry about dropping 30k caphras in a dandi or getting a PEN BS awakeneing but hey look at it this way we cant tag to it as well it would be a shame to have PA allow us to tag our Pen gear to a shai and get a PEN Sol and have 100's of NW shais with top level gear running around.


So in regards to adding a BS or Dandi SOl with the same Skill stats as a Artina SOL that is not only a NO but a HELL NO... Unless your willing to allow all of us to have a similar Stat buff to our skills..

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 30. Nov 2022, 23:32 (UTC)
# 46
On: Nov 30, 2022, 22:31 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

Lets cut the crap before you start asking dumb questions.

In what part of this would you possibly think its ok to put the above affects in addition to 10 extra AP and 12 extra accuracy not to mention Monster damage/all species damage +35 AND +3% crit damage then have the audacity to ask me if i ever played a Shai before. 

If you want the extra AP/Accuracy and monster/crit well go for it but you dont get the bonus skill effects of the Artina Sol there is a reason that this is class specific.

Just becouse you have to make it and or it is not sellable which i completely dont agree with you should be able to market it. The Sol is equal to the Dandilion base Pen But its skill effects at base pen i would drop all of that in a heart beat to have the above stats added to specific skills on my class especially for NW siege. 
It sucks that you cant tag the gear but then again you dont have to worry about dropping 30k caphras in a dandi or getting a PEN BS awakeneing but hey look at it this way we cant tag to it as well it would be a shame to have PA allow us to tag our Pen gear to a shai and get a PEN Sol and have 100's of NW shais with top level gear running around.


So in regards to adding a BS or Dandi SOl with the same Skill stats as a Artina SOL that is not only a NO but a HELL NO... Unless your willing to allow all of us to have a similar Stat buff to our skills..

Yep so you don't play her. That's why your opinion of her doesn't have much weight. Look, I know you want to make it seem like her buff scaling is powerful but its not. Aside from the DP shred, the other buff scaling is pretty much the exact same as other classes. So with PEN Sol she gets -25% movement speed debuff and a +25% movement/attack speed buff. Compare that to many classes who can already do that without involving enchanting their weapon to do so. 

I understand you want to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. Your arguement is so fundamentally flawed that essentially what you are saying is that many other classes should lose their + 30% attack speed/movement speed bonuses and 30% movement speed debuffs because they have access to extra AP and Accuracy. 

Make that make sense.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Dez 2022, 08:23 (UTC)
# 47

Serioulsly, we just need to caphras it for additional accuracy nothing more. 

Too more additional stats would be broken cuz shai is specific. 

For example:

Some amount of caphras + melody of the stars = melody caphras 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Dez 2022, 08:56 (UTC)
# 48

If Shai is too op with the additional stats from Blackstar or Caphras in the Dandelion then nerf Shai to make it balanced.

But Shai should not be limited to a "unique" weapon that is excluded from the majority of weapon content just because it would take a bit of effort to balance her with the new stats.

I really hope to hear from PA soon on this suggestion as there has been an overwhelming amount of support of replacing the Artina Sol.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Dez 2022, 10:30 (UTC)
# 49
On: Dec 1, 2022, 08:56 (UTC), Written by Blondiie

If Shai is too op with the additional stats from Blackstar or Caphras in the Dandelion then nerf Shai to make it balanced.

But Shai should not be limited to a "unique" weapon that is excluded from the majority of weapon content just because it would take a bit of effort to balance her with the new stats.

I really hope to hear from PA soon on this suggestion as there has been an overwhelming amount of support of replacing the Artina Sol.

Agreed. No one should be forced to go thru enhancing on this one.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Dez 2022, 21:24 (UTC)
# 50
On: Nov 30, 2022, 23:31 (UTC), Written by Vanraven

Yep so you don't play her. That's why your opinion of her doesn't have much weight. Look, I know you want to make it seem like her buff scaling is powerful but its not. Aside from the DP shred, the other buff scaling is pretty much the exact same as other classes. So with PEN Sol she gets -25% movement speed debuff and a +25% movement/attack speed buff. Compare that to many classes who can already do that without involving enchanting their weapon to do so. 

I understand you want to make it seem like you know what you are talking about, unfortunately you do not. Your arguement is so fundamentally flawed that essentially what you are saying is that many other classes should lose their + 30% attack speed/movement speed bonuses and 30% movement speed debuffs because they have access to extra AP and Accuracy. 

Make that make sense.

Who exactly in this game has the ability to a simultaneous evasion/dp shred of 22% as debuf a player for 30 seconds????

While at the same time can give a 20% attk/casting speed + 25% movement speed buff for 60 seconds to self and ally..

Then give an additional debuff of -35% crit, 22% movement speed,-16ap and an additional -6% accuracy for 20 seconds.....

All while giving it a 10 second and 20 second cool down timer that is basically repeatable without losing buffs as with the exception of misty that also has a work around but we won't mention that one either.

What class does the above in BDO?

OH WAIT I can answer that ZERO classes have the above ability.

Hell they removed a 16% accuracy buff for 60 seconds for self and ally from my succ valk (prime echo) becouse it was too strong so they made us choose between a 12 second buff to self and ally for on our rabam or an 80% crit boost with extra damage. I get one or the other support or damage.

Some classes have a debuff better than others some have a DP debuff and with add ons sure we may get 4-6 seconds of a decent shred but no class in this game has both a DP evasion shred while giving yourself a 20% attack speed boost for 60 seconds.

But you think some of us are too stupid to see through your trash... give me a break yah let's give a class extra AP,crit damage and accuracy LOL....

NOPE NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

Just like the rest of us you can choose extra damage or support.

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