Again. Lots of yours Text is emotionally fuelled without arguments or context to the original topic, including wrong assumptions. 

I will try to highlight it for you in color.

No emotional arguing here, you're just using the same outdated argumentation under the false guise of a civil discussion. But we broke these fallacies so many times that I don't see any point in being careful about your ego.

No slander? Read your own words buddy, you're making heavy assumptions about my playstyle. But don't worry, I'm used to it, players like you always do it when they can't prove me wrong. 

^ Thats is exactly what im describing. 

No such thing happened here and rest is assumptions based on emotions, and "players like you" also implying you know me or my playstyle. (The suggestion is because of Feedback of a few new Players and 1 casual i was talking to. And not "players like me")  

Dont forget this is a Feedback Board and new players often dont take their time and report their bad experiences if they quit anyway. 

- players chose their games, they're not surprised to meet owpvp, they're not surprised by the lack of matchmaking. That is intended, but it does not mean a complete beginner will always meet an overgeared veteran. Players will also meet players with similar gear.

Nobody's forcing anyone, but some players do not want owpvp. Cool, but that's part of BDO.

Indeed they choose their game, based on having a general expectation of the genre they get into and they(new players) are sometimes target of toxic players, people pk'ing them for whatever reason or just someone wants to ruin someones day (which forces them to often VERY UNFAIR PVP) very early on.  A majority of ppl dont like to be forced to do something, just because someone elses forces them to.

Yes, is part of BDO, but due to some lower zones beeing far better than higher zones, is greatly increasing chances of encountering end-game players in a far lower spot than they would expect, thus i hope with this suggestion it could atleast give them the option to reuse frequently unused marni's Realm.

-My issue is that you ignore players who choose the game for this precise possibility, the danger and uncertainty coming from it. You won't solve anything by allowing players to avoid these interactions, BDO deserves a better set of owpvp rules instead. I already propose things for this, but NO, I don't think devs have to care about players choosing a game but refusing some parts of the game design choices.

Yes, i asked for Feedback about this, and i already said: 

4. Worst case scenario i see is that, players that didnt use their marni's realm from yesterday, can have use yesterdays and todays marni's realm and evade forcefully slayed if they wish so for 1 or max 2 hours longer.  

Marni can not be used to escape a fight or flee from already started PVP, but has to be chosen before they encounter pvp. 

Players that had either only bad experience in OWPVP or toxic/rude players in BDO just dont want PVP at all, you wont see them anyway oustide of marni at popular zones. 

- if players can't use Marni on a daily basis, but can spend 3 hours every 3 days, it will remove them from the owpvp scene for a longer duration in the end. By allowing them to accumulate, they're more likely to use it all. Big brain, right?

Yes, thats what i think aswell. My proposal is to give them the chance to use unused from 2 days ago, current system forces theese people to stop grinding after 1 hr , go more into lifeskill or quit the game entirely if they feel like risking owpvp right now especially early on. 

- since when Marni participate in a better understanding in "open world pvp/ karma system / Red players/Crystal break/Gear Downgrade"? It's precisely the things one won't see on Marni's realm. And how much time do they need to learn how to switch/find a side rota/go on another spot? It sounds like a lame excuse for your idea.

Not sure if i understood that correctly, but do you want to say we should educate new players into how to take revenge/grief on their griefers/toxic players? With Marni accumulation people that dont want to get pk'ed would have less of theese toxic encouters. And whenever someone wants to participate in PVP they can do any time.

That's your problem, you give too much credit to your arguments while you consider mines as assumptions and misinterpretations.

There was really no arguments that could have been considered. And yes i tried to state some misinterpretations and make u aware of them.  

So stop talking about new players when you obviously only use this argument for the sake of your idea.

Why should i not be able to share legit Feedback from new players in a Feedback Forum, and raise a discussion to a possible solution, by asking for concerns on this topic and laying down fundamental benefits for it. 

Again, i really appreciate some of your Feedback especially in the new post. 

I gave you all of the limitations and its impact on pvpve players, the only ones who should matter here. Because bdo is, at heart, a pvpve game with owpvp rules, if one wants a game with seperated pvp/pve, there are other good games. But if bdo is changed in this way, basically there 's no real alternative.

I think u missed the point here again,  i never said there should be separated pvp/pve  or any of this sort entirely. 

Just the current new-players experience could be improved  A LOT, by many means this suggestion would only give them less hassle with toxic players to start their journey in the game.  Noone would get anything, just missed opportunity/leftovers for marnis could be used from 2 days prior. So they could alteast farm 3hrs on a Saturday after a busy week. 

Nope. Once more, a big wall for nothing.

- BDO is PvPvE, so YES, I do think that all the "shades" of PvPvE players are more important than any kind of player who'd like to remove a specific aspect of the game for their personal taste. They should know what kind of game they chose. 

As long as you don't care about PvPvE players, your opinion will necessarily be lacking.

- PvPvE with owpvp rules needs ONE type of regular servers, with the same rules for everyone. Even Arsha is a failure. That's not a problem to have beginners' servers or limited protected mechanics, but if devs allow every player to play as he wish, the whole system breaks. Players, and above all PvPvE players, tend to ruin their own game if it means more benefits : why would they take additional risks if they can get the same benefits in a more controlled environnement ? 

So ultimately, medium and end game should always go for one type of rules for everyone, with limited exceptions, or else you won't have enough players to make it live. Even more pvp oriented and geared players may be removed from the owpvp, due to greed. 

- Marni current time is enough to learn rotations/mechanics/whatever is tied to grind and grinding spots. And it's precisely when you're not on Marni that you can learn to confront/avoid/switch if a moron attacks you.

- New players already have long weeks to learn the basic ropes of BDO on season servers. Stop using them to defend your bad idea.

- Yep, sooner or later players have to dive into the wild world of BDO and learn to survive. But surprise! They will also meet players with a similar gears core, there is no magic rule which will pit new players against overgeared veterans every time, and yes, if you go on popular spots, at prime time, you take more risks. But precisely, you have to be on regular channels to realize it. 

- you slandering me is factual, I can't be fueled by emotion as I couldn't care less about what you think about me. ;)

You know, you're simply one of those guys throwing this kind of idea, thinking it won't impact anything else. We're used to that. 

NO. You should be grateful that this system exists in the first place. 

Play the game as it meant to be, an MMORPG. Suffering, failure, politics, and drama, are all part of MMORPG like the boring real world but with fantasy aspects to make them fun.

Are u able to back up any of this?

Yes, i appreciate that it exists and i rarely use it. 

But there are also other/ new players that rely on it. (thats why im suggesting it)

PVP is really unfair early on, you will encounter 280 AP tagged Goliaths even on Polly Forest farming SP.

There is no Value in having theese highly geared people picking unfair fights against lowbies. Its an MMORPG, but new people shouldnt be forced to be the punching bag for the boredom of engame people and be forced into a global victim role until they get TET Blackstar.

It is really difficult to get players until Tet Boss Gear without them quitting before. I had 6 new ppl quit because of toxic and unfair pvp early on (lvl 53-58) and enhancing beeing so unusual, and 1 casual avoiding Monster zones entirely, unless Marni's Zone and Mirumok when in Group. 

Are you telling me that every single Polly rotation, in every single channel is always taken 24/7 ?

I don't believe that.  

The devs even added "home server" to help you to freely swap between 3 channels or move to a fourth one with CD.

And try to interact, ask them when will they finish.

Oh and don't forget there is a Marni Fuel event going on right now. So those overgeared alts are probably tagging their main gear. It is a temporary problem. You will see less of them after the event.

Your suggestion is extra, over-the-top; it is easy to stack 3 hours when played right.

Thanks for you good Feedback, and no Polly's Forest is of course not full 24/7, but rather when people usually play.

I did this suggestion to post the New-Player-Feedback i recieved .

The Higher AP Spots need more attention.

Example new players have a hard time finding a spot to grind on the weekends. And as soon as a tagged Char comes he will get pk-one hitted and can hop servers again for another spot, that could be taken anytime from high gear goliaths is really frustrating. 

You need to join a Guild first to have Access to Home Servers, maybe add a Black Spirit Main-Quest that require them to?

New Players also dont know that they have to ask other players, where and what monsters they can attack without getting killed by the other guy, when instead they themselves just get 1 hit pk'ed often. -Thats whats been their most frustrating part.

Ye, the Marni Fuel Event might been a further Motivation for High Ap alts, but it will still be present, even tho far less of an issue. 

I think its enough info from me on this topic. 

Thanks for yall replies and keep em coming. 

100% agree with you: remember the time there was no Marni Realm... It's already great to have it!

"You give an inch, they ask a yard!"

depends what class you play. if u r a 1v1 victim class abd the other guy is one of the....."blessed" 1v1 classes, trust me people will jump you just for fun. :D

Everything is already answered and backed up. Just read my previous posts.

About the slander, why would I quote what you wrote? Words are also here.

Now, stop trying to use new players to justify this bad idea, new players know what kind of game they choose, they have plenty of time to get used to BDO mechanics, they know the potential risks ; meanwhile, your bad idea will impact EVERY player, even those who are fine with these owpvp rules.

Oh, last point : stop reading complaints from this vocal minority, that's not because they spam pve topics everywhere that you have to think about suggestion "for their sake". Just check the game, devs are greedy, so what you see is a better view than these forums in which, basically, only complainers or old players used to use forums (like me) will roam. Happy players won't even set a foot here.