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I still don't understand your reasoning to not play Arsha if you want to enjoy PVPVE, isn't that the whole point of you wanting OWPVP ?

But people PVP in Arsha, but isn't this what you wanted at first place ?

Nqh the real reason you  don't play in Arsha, is cause you are just bad player and just want to s**** stomp on new players and players that don't play PVP or don't want to be messed up when they are Grinding.

Just because you like to do PVPVE, doesn't mean they loves to PVP, while they are grinding.

Most people don't like that.

And it's not me that don't understand but it's you that don't have any reasonable explanation why you PVP toxic players that are nothing more than griefers refuse to use Arsha, that is there for the exact reason.

And i have played plenty of time in Arsha, you can grind properly. 

And no buddy 0.000001% is not representitive of anything. And i can easily use Reddit and see what people think, and that 99,99% in there don't want OWPVP be forced on them. So should we include Reddit, Steam post, etc, and see what the people wants ?

But reality is even though it fits my point, that still not going to represent what players want, as the majority of the playerbase is not speaking.

Again this non-existant 99%. LMAO. This has become some kind of a fetish.

I am sure no one has the actual statistics.

Get better in the game and stop lying.

And my suggestion will fix grinding on top of you, and fix completely, not just putting a System, and hide behind that system, where everyone knows that Karma System is beyond crap.

As i can come and grind on top of you, and completely ignore you, and Karma will actually protect me, which isn't Ok, right? You will kill me a few times, but you will eventually had to stop, cause you will go Red, and then the fun parts begin.

So completely removing that problem is the solution, not making semi-good, semi-bad system that are just covering the real problem.

Dec a war will solve absolutely nothign in that part. I won't give a 2 hot crap if you dec. a War on my guild i can still do the same. That solves absolutely nothing. There is also that, some people don't even have Guild.

So claiming that was a problem solving is beyond ridiculous, cause it's not.

And yeah claiming Arsha is not a good argument, and give a 2 **** answer for why it's not a good argument doesn't work in here.

You are saying Arsha is without rules, well Arsha is the same as normal Server, but you don't get Karma bombed, something which can happen and it's extremely unfair to the rightful player that defend it's spot. Actually Arsha is the exact solution for that.

You can also feed to mobs in Arsha as well, as this is something you 2 loves to bring up. Something i would never even consider as option, as this is extremely toxic and another reason why so many people don't like the PVP aspect as well.

And who you are trying to lie that people go in Arsha to PVP? Are you telling me that people don't PVE in Arsha? 

Cause a lot of spots are taken in there, and people actually grind in there, and doing it, cause there is 50% item drop rate.

You can try to lie with this to some newborn players, which i'm not.

Hell when i was grinding for Infi Potions i was in Arsha and for example in Blood, we were 3 people literally next to each other grinding areas, and no one was killing me. If someone try to take the zone from me, when i was killing him he was moving away. As it was supposed to be, and there was no lame penalty for me for defending my spot.

In a normal server, what would have happen is, he would have come on top of me, and just grind over me, until i get tired of killing him or vice versa. You get the point.

You are looking at it from your point of view and what you are doing and thinking it's fun, but for a lot of people this ain't fun, and they want to grind peacefully.

And yes you are trying to force something into them.

Again what exactly is the problem with a dedicated PVE server? It will actually show what people want to play or not.

If you are so sure the majority of the people prefer Open World PVPVE, then they won't go into the "solo" mode right?

But we all know that is not the case, and you all are scared, cause you won't be able to go kill the players that don't bother with PVP, and the real reason you don't play Arsha is not some pitty b.c., that no one believe, but because there is better skilled player in there, and you can't bully them.

It's exactly as i describe it. You don't want the game to have a SBMM, you want to be able to s**** on players that just won't fight back, as they either don't have the time to learn all the PVP stuffs, or just don't like PVP at all.

It's hard for you to get it, but people loves different stuffs. Guess what not everyone want to gear progress so in order to PVP. And again Open world PVP in BDO is beyond ridiculous. Getting one or two shots is beyond bad. i get why is made like that, but this just ain't fun at all.

As far as gear goes, people do it for achievment, for progressing, and yeah even for easier time in grinding spots, and to see their number grows. 

And yeah i'm one of this that mainly focus on PVE, but i also like the PVP aspect, but not the forced one we have in BDO.

As i said it again i want to progress on my own and when the times come, aka i have the right gear, surprise i may turn for PVP-ing.

But i want to spend my time the way i want.

And why are you people so defensive ? Where did any of you see anyone claiming PVP shouldn't exist or that they should remove this or that PVP Mode? Hell i even say more PVP modes > better.

So what people don't get is why you are so salty when PVE driven community, which is yeah you may not like it, prolly the majority of the playerbase, want to have their time set the way they want ? And to be able to PVE freely ???

Again if you are so right, this PVE Server or Marni's going to be empty, right?
But we all know the truth and the reality is everyone is going to grind in there, and you won't be able to grief on "weaker" players.

We all know the real reason for you all crybabies not being in Arsha, and that is, because you will meet better player, same Gear Score, and you will understand how bad of a players you actually are. 
You won't be able to one shot "Tuvala Timmys" as you like to call them, right ?

And how about you get gud and actually PVP where you are supposed to do in Arsha. If you are so good, why you are not in there, getting the huge 50% Buff rate? Cause you are not getting Tuvala Geared players in there, right? You won't be able to bully them, as you like to do in Normal Servers.

And yeah it's not the 99%, cause i'm being real, not fake like most of you. A lot of people in BDO is just afk/lifeskilling.

And the majority of the rest are PVE-ing.

This is the reason why the focus has changed so much to PVE. If there was so much playerbase that likes to PVP, and PVPVE, they wouldn't have added Marni, and focus on the PVE part, etc, etc. Arsha would have been full, and you woulnd't have been here defending a lost case. 

The changes are coming, and they will focus more and more into the PVE aspect, and will limit PVP more and more, and the main reason for it, it's exactly you the toxic elitists, who wants to ruin the fun of other peolple or think the only way to play the game is the way you play it, or think this is just fun. As we can see as many people asking for what we are grinding this gear.

As far as J "excuses", he ain't stupid. But that won't change a thing. I remember Chris Willson given a such "excuse" about nerfing tons of build in the POE, just to ease on the community, and promise them buffs in the next Expansion, just so the players get cool off, and the reality was the next patch the nerfs were even more severe, as he has his views to what to do with the game.

Guess what this is what's happening as well. The game is going to change more and more into PVE, and soon the PVE players will get what they want, Infinite Marni or dedicated PVE servers.

Yeah he is giving half-**** excuse why he is not playing Arsha, but no one with a brain would believe him, as everyone who plays on Arsha knows he is lying through his teeth.

As a person who has played plenty of Arsha i know for a damn reason most people go there for the 50% Drop Rate and most people don't even care to PVP in there. Obviously more PVP it's happening in there, but it's similar to a normal Server. So don't know who he is trying to lie to.

The reality is he is not playing Arsha, cause he don't want to face equal-gear players and ones that actually don't bother to PVP and will do it to defend their spot.

It's just easier to s**** stomp on new players and the ones that don't want to engange in Toxic dog**** PVP. As BDO Open World PVP is exactly that, a one shot grind shot fiesta, until you are very high on the gear scorecard.

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Such a big ego to dictate where I should go and what I should do. Not one single PvE topic showed real arguements why there should be PvE servers only (Also there was a direct "no" to pve servers from devs themselves. I can point you there, should you ask). And in all of them are either about the poster him/herself(this topic too), whom believes he is special or someone believing he is speaking of the entire community or just dishonestly trying to justify his claims. And that topic is no exception.

Again. PA gave you the answers already to be left alone. How you use them is up to you. If you don't, then expect to find bandits on the road or potential danger.

By the way. Show us the proof of this 99% thing you mentioned, because it's not convincing and stop being a selfish crybaby.

Not showed real arguments to you, because you don't wan it, cause your "majority" of PVP people ridiculous claims will be shattered for good. Tons of thread with a solid arguments why PVE freely without interupting should be a thing. Hell i don't even need argument why Forcing something like PVP is bad. It's obvious.

As far as what Devs have said in the past, it's meaningless, as they have said that there won't be a permanent Marni Realm, and look where we at it. Whether you like it or not, the game is changing and it's changing for good. 

And more changes will come, and when Devs finally open their eyes and stop with the half-solution, but just gives people what they want, there will actually be more people overall and more people doing PVP and Open World PVP, and especially when players are not forced to do something, but want to do them on their own.

And it's not me that is being selfish. It's exactly the opposite. It's you the minority, which is a fact, and everyone with common sense knows it that are trying to be toxic and want to force something on people. 

How is that i'm selfish, when i want PVE players to have different options, and that doesn't interfere with your play at all ?

It's you who are trying to tell other people what they should like or do and trying to force them to do activities they don't like.

It's one thing for anyone to ask a Open World PVP to be completely removed, and completely different people to want to have a dedicated server or hell even infinite Marni Realm with the full monster zone to grind peacefully. How is that interfering with your gameplay exactly ?