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AOE/Cone grabs are gamebreaking
07. Jul 2021, 13:27 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 10. Nov 2021, 15:38 (UTC)
# 1

Mystic grab and other classes' grab is a punch in the face to every player trying to learn how to PvP properly and to every skilled player.
This instant grab has a huge AoE such that mystics don't even need to aim the enemy in order to land the grab. 
In a grab and win meta where successful grabs are a sign of almost certain victory, a grab that don't even need to aim properly must not exist. 

What's the point on learning how to properly PvP when these classes can press the E key without even aiming you and instant-grab you?
This need to be addressed, every grab should be succesful only if properly aimed. 

Proof:
https://streamable.com/q6bx9n (from youtube)

https://streamable.com/lwepjg (from youtube)

 

https://streamable.com/r5r9bs (from trial character)
https://streamable.com/bs8zi7 (same of above but slower)

https://streamable.com/nj8lqk (another trial test)

 

No, it's not a desync issue. No, it's not a battle arena issue nor a fps issue. 

It's okay to be a protected grab, it's okay to be instant, it's okay to have a ridiculous low cooldown, but it's not okay to automatically teleport the enemy in your hands when you randomly press E when an enemy is nearby.

 

Basically these classes don't even need to be good at aiming, their grab will go through in any case. Gamebreaking.


Feel free to post all the other classes unbalanced grabs such that devs can address it on the upcoming revamp.

 

Please don't discuss about how wrong grabs in this game are, this is another story.

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Jul 2021, 13:30 (UTC)
# 2

Most abilities in this game have an extremely large AOE radious. Nothing new here, you ain't need to aim at all with most classes.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Jul 2021, 22:11 (UTC)
# 3

A witch complaining about a grab because of its AoE...this is a joke, right? An iframe tp that takes you out of every grab, huge AoE that are instant casts or can be made to be, long range, nuke damage, and youre complainign that if someone manages to get in your face they can CC you? I mean, classic caster privelege, complaining that anyone dares be able to beat them. The first 2 clips you posted are of massive desync, as anyone could attest that kind of crap happens no mater what the calsses are and skill being used. The trial clips show that the grab happens when the cursor is RED which means that ANY ability would hit, not just the grab. How about instead of complaining that there is something that punishes your lack of knowledge and skill, you, I dont know, learn to play your class and learn your matchups properly? God forbid melee classes get to hit something that isnt just one foot in front of us, while classes like yours get to spam huge AoEs that can both be centered on yourself, hitting people BEHIND YOU, or even be ranged so you arent even in any sort of danger.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Jul 2021, 23:01 (UTC)
# 4
On: Jul 7, 2021, 22:11 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist

A witch complaining about a grab because of its AoE...this is a joke, right? An iframe tp that takes you out of every grab, huge AoE that are instant casts or can be made to be, long range, nuke damage, and youre complainign that if someone manages to get in your face they can CC you? I mean, classic caster privelege, complaining that anyone dares be able to beat them. The first 2 clips you posted are of massive desync, as anyone could attest that kind of crap happens no mater what the calsses are and skill being used. The trial clips show that the grab happens when the cursor is RED which means that ANY ability would hit, not just the grab. How about instead of complaining that there is something that punishes your lack of knowledge and skill, you, I dont know, learn to play your class and learn your matchups properly? God forbid melee classes get to hit something that isnt just one foot in front of us, while classes like yours get to spam huge AoEs that can both be centered on yourself, hitting people BEHIND YOU, or even be ranged so you arent even in any sort of danger.

Lmao, mad?

It's not matter of skill or knowledge when you can press E and grab me even if you are not aiming at me. You are clearly in bad faith here.

In the first two videos it's not desync, the guy turns the camera ON PURPOSE because he knows that he would grab the enemies even if he's not aiming them. Bad faith here again. It's always desync, and when you show that it happens even with idle enemies you say ''any skill would hit''.

 

If I were you, I'd rather worry about YOUR skill since you are panicking because you are afraid that you would no longer be able to grab people without aiming. If you were in good faith, you wouldn't have had any problem in having your grab landing only if properly aimed, but since you are probably lacking skill, you DO NEED to have that kind of ''aimbot'' on your grab :D 

But still, don't worry, also lahns, strikers and other classes have it.

Also, here's the proof that you are talking out of your lack of knowledge and fear of being nerfed.


''The trial clips show that the grab happens when the cursor is RED which means that ANY ability would hit, not just the grab. How about instead of complaining that there is something that punishes your lack of knowledge and skill, you, I dont know, learn to play your class and learn your matchups properly?''

 

https://streamable.com/oen2l7

As you can see, what you said is totally fake

 

 

 

you are w(rong)elcome.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Oh, also, I'm not a witch nor a wizard.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Jul 2021, 23:27 (UTC)
# 5

The grab makes pvp trivial and easy and cancels any interpretation of skill

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Jul 2021, 00:08 (UTC)
# 6

Git gud and i-frame it.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Jul 2021, 01:16 (UTC)
# 7

Welcome to one of the lowest skillcap Action combat MMOs on the market. You don't really need to aim your ranged shots, because the game will do that for you. You don't need to outplay your oppenent, because in this game gear will do that for you. You don't even need to be good at the game to progress, because the game will do that for you. If you are either rich IRL or the game chose you to be RNG carried to high GS in no time flat.

 

Welcome to BDO, I hope you leave all your unrealistic expectations of the game at the door. And enjoy your stay! Game's been out for almost a decade now. Either accept it or play something else!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Jul 2021, 16:42 (UTC)
# 8

>It's not matter of skill or knowledge when you can press E and grab me even if you are not aiming at me. You are clearly in bad faith here.

 

Except if my cursor is red, I very clearly am aiming at you. As for arguing in bad faith, I am not the one hiding my class and level here. Everyone else is more than willing to show that info, but not you. Hmmm, wonder why that might be.

 

>In the first two videos it's not desync, the guy turns the camera ON PURPOSE because he knows that he would grab the enemies even if he's not aiming them.

 

lol ok dude. Keep making excuses. It is extremely obvious to people that ACTUALLY play this game that there is massive lag or desync going on in those clips, as peple literally teleport around and the person grabbed is far, far out of range by the time they blink into the guy's hands. I am secure in my skill and knowledge of my class. You are the one who came in here to whine and cry like a child, not me.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Jul 2021, 19:30 (UTC)
# 9
On: Jul 8, 2021, 16:42 (UTC), Written by Frozenfist

>It's not matter of skill or knowledge when you can press E and grab me even if you are not aiming at me. You are clearly in bad faith here.

 

Except if my cursor is red, I very clearly am aiming at you. As for arguing in bad faith, I am not the one hiding my class and level here. Everyone else is more than willing to show that info, but not you. Hmmm, wonder why that might be.

 

>In the first two videos it's not desync, the guy turns the camera ON PURPOSE because he knows that he would grab the enemies even if he's not aiming them.

 

lol ok dude. Keep making excuses. It is extremely obvious to people that ACTUALLY play this game that there is massive lag or desync going on in those clips, as peple literally teleport around and the person grabbed is far, far out of range by the time they blink into the guy's hands. I am secure in my skill and knowledge of my class. You are the one who came in here to whine and cry like a child, not me.

I've already shown that the red cursor doesn't mean your grab would land, will you still ignore that clip? It's ter even if you aim on a different direction but the grab WON'T land on other classes.

 

I'll relink the clip since seems like you skipped it ;) https://streamable.com/oen2l7

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Jul 2021, 21:52 (UTC)
# 10
On: Jul 7, 2021, 13:27 (UTC), Written by She

Mystic grab and other classes' grab is a punch in the face to every player trying to learn how to PvP properly and to every skilled player.
This instant grab has a huge AoE such that mystics don't even need to aim the enemy in order to land the grab. 
In a grab and win meta where successful grabs are a sign of almost certain victory, a grab that don't even need to aim properly must not exist. 

What's the point on learning how to properly PvP when these classes can press the E key without even aiming you and instant-grab you?
This need to be addressed, every grab should be succesful only if properly aimed. 

Proof:
https://streamable.com/q6bx9n (from youtube)

https://streamable.com/lwepjg (from youtube)

 

https://streamable.com/r5r9bs (from trial character)
https://streamable.com/bs8zi7 (same of above but slower)

https://streamable.com/nj8lqk (another trial test)

 

No, it's not a desync issue. No, it's not a battle arena issue nor a fps issue. 

It's okay to be a protected grab, it's okay to be instant, it's okay to have a ridiculous low cooldown, but it's not okay to automatically teleport the enemy in your hands when you randomly press E when an enemy is nearby.

 

Basically these classes don't even need to be good at aiming, their grab will go through in any case. Gamebreaking.


Feel free to post all the other classes unbalanced grabs such that devs can address it on the upcoming revamp.

 

Please don't discuss about how wrong grabs in this game are, this is another story.

 

The issue is not grabs the issue is this games combat currently doesnt work. Grabs are OP so are slows, so is this 1 CC = dead, so is FPS increasing movement and speed of the game so the servers cant keep up, iframes list goes on and on. Removeing grabs doesnt fix the issues. all it does is makes it so the classes that litterally the only counter is grabs cough cough casters cough can do what they want.

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