I know right.  Like how you could compare class balance, character customization, upgrade systems, equipment, progress mechanics, quest content unless they are exactly the same perspectvie.

Imagine is someone tried to compare cut scenes!  Where you can't even see the characters perspective.  It would still matter though.  You just couldn't make that comparison.

In fact you can never compare anything because there is always a slight variation.  So no two things can ever be compared.  Except for idential things!! Whoa catch 22 you can't compare identical items!!!! Mind blown!!!

There is no re occuring fee for PC users.   Other devices may need it for full functionality.

With enough money you can complete BDO in less than 10 minutes ;)

Grinding for 26,000 hours in a circle just so you can attempt BIS Jewely isn't really the same as actual content.  Finishing the campaign is just an intro into newer tiers and end game.

NCSoft just destroyed Pearl Abyss also FYI.  They dared to SELL offline progression.  Even PA hasn't stooped that low....... yet.

1. You're missing the whole idea of the game. It's grindy from day 1. The progress was never meant to be that quick. Nowadays it isn't even slow. The reality is that, when someone comes to a game first one must understand the concept of it, before going to such quick conclusions. The first post was literally saying: "BDO bad, Diablo 4 Good." And focusing only on the negatives in one game and positives of another. When in fact every single game has it's own charms and lacks. BDO isn't perfect, nor Diablo 4 is. It's clear that the game isn't for you. So why staying here? Also... Curious. Did you even play it at all?

2. Diablo 4 may appear good to what you describe, but as any other mmo it will get changes in time on the progression pace or other aspects. This is just the beginning. At every single mmo I've been older content gets outdates as new things get added or limits get increased or both.

3. Gear isn't made only by enhancing as you've claimed. There is another option. Shocking isn't it? How?

4. Actually there are players that are reading the quests sometimes on their first run. I've seen at least one player, whom made a timeline of "Black Desert", various cannon stories, describing the ingame religions and deities... Do your research first, before saying "Nobody is reading quests and spams the R key".

5. There IS player interraction, but not in the same way as most other mmorpgs. Here it's possible to see either potential competition or teammates.

6. I personally do not need the cash shop to advance to 61 or beyond. Does anybody else need it? Hmm...

Grinding isnt the only thing in BDO.

Real life money cant get you the below unless your breaking tos.

Energy you aint getting 655 in 10 mins. Treasure items deffinitley aint.

Contribution points to 430 nope.

720 gs nope. Because of weekly limits on pearl items sold 

All great stones + filled nope.

1.5k titles ain't happening 

Guru 50 on any life skill no. On all of them lul thats years minimum

10k family fame, last silver per day point on the other fames no.

30k quests doubt.

Every char to level 60+ at least once 

10k ecology points doubt

Pearls are restricted an cant finsh the above content and alot of other content.

Randoms screaming well drooling dfs maybe within 10 mins i guess at low end spots.

Random asking how long you have left probs.

But i do know one thing a limited time player  could do go to forums compare the game to a completely different game that has very little to no similarities. *Shrug* pick your poison i guess

These comparison are designed to be as objective and honest as possible.

Combat: BDO

BDO remains the uncontested model for high speed 3rd person combo based combat.  Diablo 4's is action based and relatively quick.  However, it lacks in the complexity and amount of viable skills per class.  Especially available at any given time.

Now for the reality check and the real problem.  Diablo 4 is completely supeior in every other aspect.

Equipment System: D4

Diablo 4 has a great equipment system with a variety of unique abilities to customize your gameplay.  Lets be honest though, nearly any system would automatically beat the atrocious cash shop model system of BDO.

Leveling Progression: D4

The progression in D4 moves at a very health and proper pace.  It's designed to be played through and eventually it might get thrashed by seasons, but for now it's completely superior.  Again, anything would beat BDO's botched and broken system today.  Flying through all the content like it doesn't matter as people immediately advance through quests or try to power level blast through everything.  A cash shop dominated system in which the primary focus is to blast your through your new class for financial reasons.

Player Interaction: D4

What an amazing experience it is to have players join in random events working together rewarding everyone.  It's a little bit different than the toxic environement of BDO DFS, spot taken.  And with an massive amount of players in the game I have yet to run into a single issue with any player or witness any issues.

Quests: D4

Not only is the story simply amazing, but even side quests are simply designed the right way.  In BDO most true quest lines just involve going from point A to B (AFK pathing) and then spamming R.  From time to time you kill a few mobs.  In D4 it's done organically.  You grind your way across the world, gaining experience items, and getting side tracked by tons of events along the way.  Quick dungeons, mob feasts, just done to perfection.  They don't consume a lot of time and happen very organically.

Grind Spots: D4

You can grind just about anywhere and just explore for weeks.  With so many over land areas, dungeons, objectives, events.  BDO of course is find a circle and that's that.  Spend an unlimited amount of time farming that circle.

Customization: D4

This is one of D4's strongest points.  With a variety of items, skill choices, and real customization that matters.  Whether you want mobility, dmg, tanking, or very unique perks to using skills the entire game is filled with it.  BDO just doesn't have much to offer.  All the attempts have fallen flat.  BDO has a small amount for accuracy or defense builds, but overall it's not even close. 

Content: D4

100% hands down D4 wins this.  BDO just quickly turns into spamming R, repeating dailies, and just never evolved into something much better.  It feels like the poors man version of everything in BDO.  The best thing they did for grinding was Elvia and minor changes to Elites, but it just doesn't cut it.  D4's design is just superior.  The events happen organically, you acquire materials through adventuring, not spamming hours of butchering.  D4 has a variety of small events, quick area clear, more involved dungeon objectives.

AFK Progression: D4

You don't need to ficticiously stay logged into D4 to inflate their numbers.  They have plenty of players and not trying to farm their own customer base in this manner.  I don't gain anything while logged out, and it's perfect!  The way games should be played.  You play them, you enjoy them, you progress at your own pace and enjoy it.

How about you do your reading first?

"In BDO most true quest lines just involve going from point A to B (AFK pathing) and then spamming R.  From time to time you kill a few mobs. "

At what point besides never did I say "Nobody is reading quests".  It sounds like something you just made up to fit your narrative.  Even worse it pretends to be ignorant of the facts that even Pearl Abyss is well aware of.  It's not like you don't know what spamming R means and how much of an issue it is.

Of course you also completely ignored the concept of playing through the game while questing as opposed to AFK pathing through most of it as well.  

Do you even play BDO?  Do you even know it actually played more like an actual game upon release with +15 max gear that you acquired via game play.  Before the cash shop infestation created the current systems.

The methods of obtaining equipment in BDO will simply never compare to Diablo which one of the foundations of the entire loot system.  It's historically known as one of the best and remains so today.

Just because you don't like these FACTS doesn't mean you get to make up your own.  LIke making up words other people didn't even say.

Yeaahh ummm I got some bad news for you.  The main reason for most of things is to obtain money.  People didn't hunt sea monsters because they loved it.  Because BDO progression system (well it doesn't really have one anymore) is so botched silver/hr is about the only thing that matters.

You make some good points though.  I don't know why everyone was complaining about the trade revamp.  OHhhhhh that's right it didn't yield enough SILVER/HR to make it worth their time.  I guess the money doesn't matter??? They should just enjoy the trading.

They must all be wrong, and you're right.

These comparison are designed to be as objective and honest as possible.

Combat: BDO

BDO remains the uncontested model for high speed 3rd person combo based combat.  Diablo 4's is action based and relatively quick.  However, it lacks in the complexity and amount of viable skills per class.  Especially available at any given time.

Now for the reality check and the real problem.  Diablo 4 is completely supeior in every other aspect.

Equipment System: D4

Diablo 4 has a great equipment system with a variety of unique abilities to customize your gameplay.  Lets be honest though, nearly any system would automatically beat the atrocious cash shop model system of BDO.

Leveling Progression: D4

The progression in D4 moves at a very health and proper pace.  It's designed to be played through and eventually it might get thrashed by seasons, but for now it's completely superior.  Again, anything would beat BDO's botched and broken system today.  Flying through all the content like it doesn't matter as people immediately advance through quests or try to power level blast through everything.  A cash shop dominated system in which the primary focus is to blast your through your new class for financial reasons.

Player Interaction: D4

What an amazing experience it is to have players join in random events working together rewarding everyone.  It's a little bit different than the toxic environement of BDO DFS, spot taken.  And with an massive amount of players in the game I have yet to run into a single issue with any player or witness any issues.

Quests: D4

Not only is the story simply amazing, but even side quests are simply designed the right way.  In BDO most true quest lines just involve going from point A to B (AFK pathing) and then spamming R.  From time to time you kill a few mobs.  In D4 it's done organically.  You grind your way across the world, gaining experience items, and getting side tracked by tons of events along the way.  Quick dungeons, mob feasts, just done to perfection.  They don't consume a lot of time and happen very organically.

Grind Spots: D4

You can grind just about anywhere and just explore for weeks.  With so many over land areas, dungeons, objectives, events.  BDO of course is find a circle and that's that.  Spend an unlimited amount of time farming that circle.

Customization: D4

This is one of D4's strongest points.  With a variety of items, skill choices, and real customization that matters.  Whether you want mobility, dmg, tanking, or very unique perks to using skills the entire game is filled with it.  BDO just doesn't have much to offer.  All the attempts have fallen flat.  BDO has a small amount for accuracy or defense builds, but overall it's not even close. 

Content: D4

100% hands down D4 wins this.  BDO just quickly turns into spamming R, repeating dailies, and just never evolved into something much better.  It feels like the poors man version of everything in BDO.  The best thing they did for grinding was Elvia and minor changes to Elites, but it just doesn't cut it.  D4's design is just superior.  The events happen organically, you acquire materials through adventuring, not spamming hours of butchering.  D4 has a variety of small events, quick area clear, more involved dungeon objectives.

AFK Progression: D4

You don't need to ficticiously stay logged into D4 to inflate their numbers.  They have plenty of players and not trying to farm their own customer base in this manner.  I don't gain anything while logged out, and it's perfect!  The way games should be played.  You play them, you enjoy them, you progress at your own pace and enjoy it.