This is in response to the open world PvP changes, where guild dec's have to be mutually accepted. I believe this was the wrong direction to go in for the game, as open world PvP for me has been the best aspect of the game. I can however accept that people don't want to deal with PvP when they are grinding.

Problem:
Some people don't want to deal with PvP when grinding as it is annoying to have buffs goto waste, or to have a grind cut short.
Some people want to be able to DFS for a grind spot, so that grinding isn't a matter of whoever just got there first. And to deal with griefers.

Guild dec's were the only way to enforce DFS as if the player didn't adhere to this ruleset, they would be Dec'd and encounter forced PvP

Solution:

Revert Guild Dec changes to the previous state.

Make Serendia and Balenos servers PvE only, just like Seasonal server

In this proposed solution people will have ample server's that they can swap between if they don't want to deal with PvP in any fashion, and others can have servers where they can DFS and open world PvP if they want to. I believe this to be the best solution as people can enjoy both worlds.
Also there should be a note on these server's explaining the principle behind them. A basic notification when you click to join on the server.

PvE only servers are dumb AF, in a pvp enabled server you at least have serveral options because you can mutual war dec or flag and either kill or feed someone to mobs who you believe is being being an idiot but in a pve only server all that will happen is someone will come into your grind spot and grind over you/each other till one of you leave. This will enable griefing on a whole new level because there is no way to remove them except to see who lasts longer and guess what you can just grind over top of each other on normal servers so what's the point.

It's very simple to ask someone how long they will be, change channels, find another grind area or ask them to DFS but DFS only works if both sides agree to it then uphold the results because lets face it its not a game rule so either side can just say fck it and not leave. it's as simple as this i don't know why people make it so complicated, if you want the grind spot use common human decency and manners or move somewhere else volentarily, if you want that spot soo badly your willing to fight someone over it don't be a pu**y and play the victum when you literally had 4 other polite ways/options before YOU chose violence and YOU decided to flag.

If someone comes into your rotation you as the person there first have the same 4 options before choosing violence, like my god i have never seen the likes of it BDO is the only game in 25 years i seen players whine and cry this much about grind spots and pvp, hell in archeage you could be sent to jail for hours or days or even worse sent to a whole nother faction blocking off benefits to the main land and people didn't cry like this. Back when i played games in 1998-2005 people would ask you how long you would be or simply just grind over each other till people left, hell even when people lost their gear in survival mmo's over spot pvp nobody complained as much as this community everyones is a bunch of bloody snowflakes these days.

Everyone has the right to play bdo differently the way they want but playing the victum based on your own choices is just fckn dumb.

I laugh at some idiots streaming on twitch  and they know who they are they say things to the effect of if you don't dfs you deserve to be fed to mob, lose items and publicy shamed, like who the fck are you to dictate how people play their game and act like the fckn ministy of truth in george orwell.

The proper solution would be a few PvE only servers true, but it was too logical for PA so there you go, enjoy your griefing as the devs wants.

Again what would pve servers acomplish, it would simply allow spot griefing without pvp to forcibly remove someone, people would grind over each other till one of them leaves or use one of the 4 polite options which they could have done on normal servers.

All you 4 iq individuals downvoting me think about it, if your on a PvE only server and your grinding Hystria for example i can literally go into your rotation and grind over you griefing your scroll and buffs till you leave and THERE IS NOTHING you can do about it, do you really want that kind of server?

Wow, that is so much worse than the current system where you can enforce PvP but only if you want to lose your crystals and risk gear downgrading if you arent careful enough. You can literally do the same exact thing with the karma system, nothing is stopping you from doing this on main servers as it currently stands. As nobody wants to lose crystals and possibly have gear downgrade if they arent paying close enough attention. If you want karma to be a solution remove crystals breaking and gear downgrades.

Where were all of these complaints about the seasonal servers?

Also please don't be so emotional about people downvoting you on forum post. It's merely for discussion purposes.

i'm not emotional over downvotes you inferred that yourself

I don't know if your agreeing with me that pve servers are bad or saying they are good because your reply is just everywhere, use paragraphs or proper sentences my god even people who don't speak english write better than that lol. I'm not trying to be rude but if you are going to quote someone at least make it readable/understandable please.

Thanks for the paragraph long run on sentences. I am no longer continuing this conversation.

Yeah but at least my thoughts are sectioned in paragraphs and readable, I at least made attempts for proper puncuation throughout my posts where you made a paragraph of god knows what you were trying to convey.

didnt notice anything from the marni realm, what grief?