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#Meinung
Request: NA PVE Servers
13. Feb 2021, 23:26 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Mrz 2021, 22:44 (UTC)
# 281
On: Mar 8, 2021, 22:09 (UTC), Written by Polyedra

This where you go wrong. You assume that what YOU do has major relevance to the value of what you do. It doesn't.

If there's no pvp, then gear value will drop sharply because there's much less you can do with it and also because the pve isn't what has been focused on when developing the game.

If the gear value drops, then ALL items follow; all of it. If everything is majorly inflated but there's no interest in making purchases, you gonna see this game take a nose dive right into the dirt. It ALL about SILVER, ALL. And that goes hand in hand with the elite pushing boundaries in the upper tiers. Without that, you got nothing. Silver is completely worthless without the upper tier constantly pushing. There will be no such tier on a pve server, because there's nothing to do with the gear. You don't pve a year+ to get gear so you can pve a year+ more. No, that is left unsaid. You do it to reach somewhere. You might be full pve, there's a lot of them out there, but if there's no one to compare with, there's no reason for you to pve either cause you do it to stand above and look shiny. U don't put a year into that unless there is a lot of others looking all shiny up there. The ones who put the most into this, naturally, want to put it to good use and show them noobs who the KING is.

 

I swear it, silver rest on upper tier pvp ambitions. You cut that and u cut the game. It not about u, it about everyone. It's a long chain and at the end of it is pvp, that the anchor. You can't make this game a pve game because really, it's a silver game into pvp. U may not want that or ever go pvp, but that doesn't change anything. Your majestic lifeskill ranking mean NOTHING if there's no pvp champions, trust me; nothing. Worthless. It's only a mark of someone who wasted time. Manos worth NOTHING without pvp.

I hope u get ur trial pve servers, complete with pve characters. The reception will be lukewarm, chilling fast. I hope you get it. But you won't, cause the developers know EXACTLY what I'm talking about and to them it's just a guaranteed failure.

The correct answers:

Biohack demonstrated along with a few others that even with essentially MAX gear score it's very difficult to survive in Corrupted.  These new areas hit harder than places likes Star's End along with already existing solo and group areas that are also much more difficult.

 

Your notions are old and false.  People where grinding PVE content in games before you where born!!!  And they will continue to do so after your gone.

 

 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Mrz 2021, 23:01 (UTC)
# 282
On: Mar 8, 2021, 21:55 (UTC), Written by Retteo

Did you really just do a Smileybones there and ignore the actual text and replace it with your own?  You did ;)

 

An expert already explained to you the basic functionality of the farm.  You have to WAIT for your crops to finish before you can acquire the resources.  I can't believe you actually made that argument.  You have no idea how bad it looks.

 

By your definition PVE servers should have a 50% drop boost.  This would be balanced out by the over crowding and people fighting over resources.

 

How a PVE would get over crowded is still a mystery.  Since everyone plays BDO for the PVP so it literally makes no sense.

 

You want to say:

A: PVP is a necessity for the game and everyone needs it

AND

B: PVE servers would be OVER CROWDED.  Meaning TO MANY people WANT PVE servers.  SO MANY in fact they wouldn't even work because TO MANY PEOPLE want to PVE ;)

 

Chewbacca wins again, it just don't make sense.

I want to say, and have been saying, this the whole time regarding PvPvE and BDO in general:

 

A: Sandbox aspect needs to remain in tact. Sandbox implies non-restrictive gameplay for all within the confines of the game's systems. PvE only server is a restrictive server, restricting a gameplay style (PvPvE).

 

B: PVE server may or may not be overcrowded, I've never stated the server would be overcrowded, but that grind locations will be messy, unorganized and devoid of methods to resolve grind spot conflicts. The server itself being overcrowded is not determinable, objectively, without first seeing it. Season is not a reasonable comparison due to an influx of players who only do season for the rewards.

 

You might take joy from telling yourself nice things about yourself (LUL). People don't usually need to fluff themselves up with such vigor if they know they're actually correct.

 

Fact of the matter remains, you're on an illegitimate non-linked account - indicating you, or at least this account, doesn't play BDO. Further indicating you have zero clue about how things really are, so you need to concoct made-up scenarios to justify your position.

 

Who TF initailly says they were AFK Processing in a combat area (your literal words), to then say they were waiting for crops to finish? Like, how in the world do you confuse those two things? And who stands around their farm waiting?  Players do other things while crops are growing, don't you have other things to do instead of standing around waiting to harvest crops (lul?)?  Oh yeah that's right -- you have no clue what you're talking about and make things up as you go.

 

Also, you wouldn't have to pull a complete strawman argument (your A and B strawman, and pretty much every refute) if you had a legitimate concern in the first place, which, you do not, being that your account itself is illegitimate (non-linked).

 

Let's meet in-game. Would you like to meet me, or anyone else here, in-game?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 08. Mrz 2021, 23:29 (UTC)
# 283
On: Mar 8, 2021, 23:01 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

I want to say, and have been saying, this the whole time regarding PvPvE and BDO in general:

 

A: Sandbox aspect needs to remain in tact. Sandbox implies non-restrictive gameplay for all within the confines of the game's systems. PvE only server is a restrictive server, restricting a gameplay style (PvPvE).

 

B: PVE server may or may not be overcrowded, I've never stated the server would be overcrowded, but that grind locations will be messy, unorganized and devoid of methods to resolve grind spot conflicts. The server itself being overcrowded is not determinable, objectively, without first seeing it. Season is not a reasonable comparison due to an influx of players who only do season for the rewards.

 

You might take joy from telling yourself nice things about yourself (LUL). People don't usually need to fluff themselves up with such vigor if they know they're actually correct.

 

Fact of the matter remains, you're on an illegitimate non-linked account - indicating you, or at least this account, doesn't play BDO. Further indicating you have zero clue about how things really are, so you need to concoct made-up scenarios to justify your position.

 

Who TF initailly says they were AFK Processing in a combat area (your literal words), to then say they were waiting for crops to finish? Like, how in the world do you confuse those two things? And who stands around their farm waiting?  Players do other things while crops are growing, don't you have other things to do instead of standing around waiting to harvest crops (lul?)?  Oh yeah that's right -- you have no clue what you're talking about and make things up as you go.

 

Also, you wouldn't have to pull a complete strawman argument (your A and B strawman, and pretty much every refute) if you had a legitimate concern in the first place, which, you do not, being that your account itself is illegitimate (non-linked).

 

Let's meet in-game. Would you like to meet me, or anyone else here, in-game?

On: Mar 8, 2021, 23:01 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

I want to say, and have been saying, this the whole time regarding PvPvE and BDO in general:

 

A: Sandbox aspect needs to remain in tact. Sandbox implies non-restrictive gameplay for all within the confines of the game's systems. PvE only server is a restrictive server, restricting a gameplay style (PvPvE).

 

B: PVE server may or may not be overcrowded, I've never stated the server would be overcrowded, but that grind locations will be messy, unorganized and devoid of methods to resolve grind spot conflicts. The server itself being overcrowded is not determinable, objectively, without first seeing it. Season is not a reasonable comparison due to an influx of players who only do season for the rewards.

 

You might take joy from telling yourself nice things about yourself (LUL). People don't usually need to fluff themselves up with such vigor if they know they're actually correct.

 

Fact of the matter remains, you're on an illegitimate non-linked account - indicating you, or at least this account, doesn't play BDO. Further indicating you have zero clue about how things really are, so you need to concoct made-up scenarios to justify your position.

 

Who TF initailly says they were AFK Processing in a combat area (your literal words), to then say they were waiting for crops to finish? Like, how in the world do you confuse those two things? And who stands around their farm waiting?  Players do other things while crops are growing, don't you have other things to do instead of standing around waiting to harvest crops (lul?)?  Oh yeah that's right -- you have no clue what you're talking about and make things up as you go.

 

Also, you wouldn't have to pull a complete strawman argument (your A and B strawman, and pretty much every refute) if you had a legitimate concern in the first place, which, you do not, being that your account itself is illegitimate (non-linked).

 

Let's meet in-game. Would you like to meet me, or anyone else here, in-game?

A: Your definition of Sandbox is INCORRECT

I don't need Goole or Wiki to even assist with definition.  My answers are superior anyway.  Sandbox is just a general term generally comparing it to a Theme Park.  The Theme Park is more like a set agenda.  The Sandbox is more open and non linear.

 

At NO POINT does this REQUIRE access to specific content.  BDO does not tranisition from a Sandbox into a Theme Park when you play Arsha or Olvia.

 

"It makes me sad when I read people getting griefed and seemingly cannot find a way to avoid / circumvent it."

Except you are LYING.  PVE servers are a way for people to avoid or circumvent the toxic OWPVP atmosphere.  So don't pretend you are SAD about things you intentionally try to stop.

 

Z: What is the character level requirement for a discussion about Sandbox?  Are you qualified by your own standards to even make those comments?  Does that discussion require Professional trading?  Or Artisan Fishing?

 

Do you see how this analysis is absolutely destroying your credability?  And how WRONG you are for trying to qualify people's statements?

 

 

 

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 02:07 (UTC)
# 284
On: Mar 8, 2021, 23:20 (UTC), Written by Retteo

A: Your definition of Sandbox is INCORRECT

I don't need Goole or Wiki to even assist with definition.  My answers are superior anyway.  Sandbox is just a general term generally comparing it to a Theme Park.  The Theme Park is more like a set agenda.  The Sandbox is more open and non linear.

 

At NO POINT does this REQUIRE access to specific content.  BDO does not tranisition from a Sandbox into a Theme Park when you play Arsha or Olvia.

 

"It makes me sad when I read people getting griefed and seemingly cannot find a way to avoid / circumvent it."

Except you are LYING.  PVE servers are a way for people to avoid or circumvent the toxic OWPVP atmosphere.  So don't pretend you are SAD about things you intentionally try to stop.

 

Z: What is the character level requirement for a discussion about Sandbox?  Are you qualified by your own standards to even make those comments?  Does that discussion require Professional trading?  Or Artisan Fishing?

 

Do you see how this analysis is absolutely destroying your credability?  And how WRONG you are for trying to qualify people's statements?

 

 

 

How narcissistic do you have to be to believe that everyone who is against PVE only servers are somehow "lying" or are "griefers", and you, along with your little group of friends somehow hold "superior" information?  It's such an elitist thing to even think!  That you somehow transcend everyone else in intellect and experience, including those who can show and display their level, class and character name, who are able to describe situations without the redundance of vague and easily miscontruable statements?  That somehow, despite having a NON-LINKED ACCOUNT, would even go so far as trying to discredit anyone who points out the apparent flaws in your logic?

 

Please.  Get over yourself.  You're just an average person.  And well below average in terms of in-game knowledge and likely IQ.  Your brain is so smooth, you probably apply lotion to it everyday with a quote like this:

"At NO POINT does this REQUIRE access to specific content.  BDO does not tranisition from a Sandbox into a Theme Park when you play Arsha or Olvia."

 

BDO doesn't "transition" from something to anything - it's always BDO.  A PvPvE sandbox.  Players are given the tools, and players are to find out what gameplay style suits them in this shared open world - that's literally how sandboxes work - players figure it out for the large part of the game.  Olvia and Seasonal are there to help new and returning Adventurers get acclimated.  Arsha is there as a means to alleviate some PK in the open world, being an avenue to open world PVP without Karma penalties that exist in normal channels.

 

Players of all gameplay styles share, live in and do their thing in the same, shared space.  Now, if one gameplay style is too toxic and too inhibiting of another player's experience, then the game should strengthen it's confines to alleviate it, using organic means.  At least before taking drastic measures that reshape the game as we know it.

 

Your quote alone, where you speak of BDO transitioning from a sandbox to themepark, is not only inaccurate, but also said in bad faith, and clearly indicative that you are not seeking an honest, open ended discussion, but only seeking to cause unrest in those who are trying to have honest discussions, as well as doing your best to dissuade new players from thinking they could actually enjoy their time here.

 

Also, need I remind you?

This:

^ A solid indication that this person plays BDO.

Compared to this:

=

Literally don't even play BDO and you're here making s*** posts everywhere.  You're a clown and I feel bad for anyone who takes your s*** posts seriously noKap.

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 06:46 (UTC)
# 285
Écrit le : 8 mars 2021, 12:16 (UTC), par : FearlessMe

 

 

You are trolling as much as the pro-PKers are trolling. Of course the game doesn't provide a choice to opt out of forced PvP. And the reason for the is simply financial gains. The Devs know that they can make much more money for less effort. By oftering the Weak players in this game as tribute to the Whales. So the Whales each can pay them $10,000s to $100,000s, to impose themselves on you and others. 

 

Once you figure that part out. You can abandon all hope for normal PvE servers. Because if they stop feeding the Whales content. The Whales leave for the next P2W MMO. Where they can use their money to dominate others.

 

Or else they'd have to do like other MMORPG dev teams. Which is invest a bit of money to continue making decent and fun content. So that gamers in mass are willing to pay for subs and cosmetics in the cash shops. So far I have yet seen a Korean dev team take such a approach. Nor do I think they ever will.

 

So the best thing that people like yourself can do. Is just vacate these types of games. Until it ends like all the other P2W Korean MMOs. Where there are like under a thousand players, which consists of Whales and F2Pers only playing. Then go find you a high quality PvE MMORPG that you like. And point and laugh when the game has barely anyone playing.

I think you miss read something to say "You are trolling as much as the pro-PKers are trolling. Of course the game doesn't provide a choice to opt out of forced PvP"

 

"

the reason for the is simply financial gains. The Devs know that they can make much more money for less effort. By oftering the Weak players in this game as tribute to the Whales. So the Whales each can pay them $10,000s to $100,000s, to impose themselves on you and others. 

"

 

that's a yes & no given how is setup the karma setting & how pked dont have penalty for beeing pked and why you have "karmabombing" word creation.

You idea on paper work, yet given the game reality beside for the "I kill another player like a mob with my gear power" the game actualy dont give power to thoses guys ( and that's why most of thoses pk lover here are sad about and would love to see be changed )

 

Why "abandon hope" it litteraly cost nothing to make noise about that on the official forum, it would, or not work, but as i invest less time in thoses topic than in the BDO afk simulator, why not ;)

But i understand that your crusade seem now to convice players to definitely leave BDO because "you do so" & maybe tackle them. But whatever

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 06:54 (UTC)
# 287
On: Mar 9, 2021, 06:46 (UTC), Written by Woots

I think you miss read something to say "You are trolling as much as the pro-PKers are trolling. Of course the game doesn't provide a choice to opt out of forced PvP"

 

"

the reason for the is simply financial gains. The Devs know that they can make much more money for less effort. By oftering the Weak players in this game as tribute to the Whales. So the Whales each can pay them $10,000s to $100,000s, to impose themselves on you and others. 

"

 

that's a yes & no given how is setup the karma setting & how pked dont have penalty for beeing pked and why you have "karmabombing" word creation.

You idea on paper work, yet given the game reality beside for the "I kill another player like a mob with my gear power" the game actualy dont give power to thoses guys ( and that's why most of thoses pk lover here are sad about and would love to see be changed )

 

Why "abandon hope" it litteraly cost nothing to make noise about that on the official forum, it would, or not work, but as i invest less time in thoses topic than in the BDO afk simulator, why not ;)

But i understand that your crusade seem now to convice players to definitely leave BDO because "you do so" & maybe tackle them. But whatever

 

If or not you stay playing BDO is of little concern to me. However whining against Korean game Dev business model is silly. Either you deal with the game fundamentals or you leave. Because no amount of crying against it is going to change their minds. 

 

If you don't want to be bullied by established players and Whales. When the whole game is built around around that point. That just means you are playing a game you shouldn't be playing. That's all I was getting at.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 07:18 (UTC)
# 288
On: Mar 9, 2021, 06:47 (UTC), Written by FearlessMe

 

All of the things you accuse him of doing. You have and are doing all them yourself. You even threw in a Ad Hominem at the end there. Because you know what you say is not only BS but also intolerable of another person's opinion. All a person has to do is look through your post history. To understand the type of person your are at least far as BDO goes. And honestly you remind me of the bigot Trump supporters.

How so? Care to elaborate and/or copy paste a quote of mine where I have done what you're accusing me of?

 

And how is comparing an active, verifiable, BDO forum account that's linked to an in-game account to an unverifiable, non-linked account and then laughing at it an Ad Hominem? Maybe you need to Google what an ad hominem fallacy is. It's there in plain sight -- Vortexii's new forum account is NON-LINKED. I find that quite, quite funny indeed.

 

Running to his rescue as always. I find it peculiar how you and he always love each other's posts, ever since the old forum. The two users who love to hate on BDO.

 

Accuse me of being a "Trump bigot" without showing me how? Sounds like a projection. Enjoy being reported.

 

But while you're at it, please, copy and paste any evidence that "I'm doing what he's doing", and by that, I assume strawmanning, providing contradictory information of a made-up scenario and/ or throwing shade to the game and the community. I care about this game and this community, which is more than what you and Vortexii can ever say.

 

I literally try my best to be a "good" community member, with my personal interest aligning with what's best for the game and community itself, so if I have made any comments that go against that (aside from my insults to this, specific, "user"), then it should be proven and shown to all, in verifiable, plain text.

 

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 09:31 (UTC)
# 289

Is it me or can we feel an underlying fallacy, in which pure pve will not be toxic? ^^

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Mrz 2021, 09:43 (UTC)
# 290

Valheim,Steam,5 millions copies...Open World Survival CraftOnline Co-OpSurvival+
PVE SANDBOX!
But you can organize PVP if you want ^^
PVE Sandbox is a thing...
Just...It's not P2W so you don't need non-consenting preys to feed the whales or no-lifer killers.

 

I love BDO but I stopped PVP at level 56 a long time ago...when I saw you can progress forever...and widen the gap forever...
Now,I play Explorer.
So much things I never saw because yes I was only "Leveling" and making money to be more powerful to make more money to be more powerful to make...
So...STOP!
That kind of things is here only for PA to make money...not for the enjoyment of majority of players.
PVP channels are never full,why?
They are few...every openPVP lovers should be here,no?

 

I'm sure if they can sell a transfer pass 100 Euros per character to be only PVE...we are going to get a PVE server xD

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