I don't know what you consider bargining, When you were against having your arm chopped off but then you were told, we're going to chopp off your head.  Both ways you are fucked, just 1 way you are slightly less fucked.

No there is no "bargining" and I still don't want a PvE server.  Only the vocal minority of assholes actually want a PvE server.  This new "bounty" system will be the death of BDO.

I don't see how you guys are fucked. Yall still have Arsha to PK freely without penalties on.

fortunately game is nicely balanced in 1v1 so these ounties and systems will be nice fun experience for everyone :D

also, bdo players would never exploit systems like that for various gains. :D

OH, WAIT.

This has nothing to do with PKing, this has to do with the ability to defend your spot while grinding.  If someone just runs into your rotation and starts grinding you have no options with the new method.

If you go to a grind spot and every spot is taken, you swap, all but 1 of the spots are taken, so you pop a loot scroll and all buffs you start grinding 10 minutes later someone starts grinding over top of you.  Your options are waste your buffs after mentioning that you were there, or get fucked by the bounty and karma system, there is no 3rd option because you can't swap for another 5 minutes, and why should you have to swap after you spent the time looking for a spot and swapping already.  

What about the other side of the fence. You swapped channels to escape from a PK griefer.  You continue grinding at Shultz with 567 GS. And then someone comes up to you and just demand DFS. Then proceed to grief you while you have scrolls and buffs running. You can't swap again but still have like 20 minutes left on your buffs and scrolls. Why should you be forced to leave, because someone who clearly belong at Star's End, is trying to bully you out of a 540 GS zone?

Considering Narchilla is 540 GS and enough for Stars End in the first place, why the F are you at Shultz if you're trying to gear up?  People are at Shutz for the Specter's energy drop, not to level or get silver, it's a shit spot for silver.  This is something you would know if you played the game in the first place.  Which makes me wonder why you are here.

Also after 4 years how the hell are you still 567 GS?  Just doing all 3 seasons, leveling to 61, and doing your Journals is 568 GS.  

Do you really play this game, or are you just crying on the Forums because you want to talk shit about a game you quit and are trying to justify your decision to quit?

Agreed. It should be one or the other, and not both.

1st off, you go grind Star's End with 540 GS on a inherently weak 1v1 class. I bet you would make no progress there because the wolves will see you as prey and grief you. But you'd know that if you wasn't a dishonest, disconnected from reality player, only speaking in bad faith.

I have actually started to pick up my BDO activity these past few weeks. So I do actually play the game... these days. Though I would never spend as much time and money in a Skill-let paradise as some of you guys have. I have other games where skill don't take a backseat, to try hard in.

I mean you have karma-less Arsha. So I don't know why you are here crying about incoming systems. When their jobs is to pug the loopholes in the system. That PK griefers was using to bully people out guilds and the game. Actually again PKer hungery players have Arsha. Those that don't want to get PK griefed but still want to play the game have no current options against them.

Sounds to me you guys are again asking for Survival genre PvP rulesets. Where the strong eat the weak into submission until they leave server. Are you guys even playing the right genre at this point. It's sounds to me that you guys just hate the constraints of MMO-like PvP rules. Meaning you guys actually don't like MMOs PvP. But you like the fact that you can be successful as a Skill-let. Which would also explain quite a bit.

The only thing I need to justify quiting the game. Is that lack of fun value. And as it stand right now. BDO is basically a freemium game that don't have any manditory subs. That holds a tiny bit of fun value because of it's visuals and brain dead gear/class check PvE and PvP scenes. So for now it'll do as my quinary game of choice. 

1, this was true pre Elvia, now they are not there anymore they are in Elvia.  You would know this if you actually played the game.

2. stop it with your "You have Arsha" bull shit, there's not enough room on Arsha for everyone, especially after the new bounty system comes in, it'll be a packed madhouse.

3a, no we are not asking for a "Survival" genre bullshit, we are asking to not get Griefed by people who's sole mission in the game is to grief other players.  The players that Karma bomb now would exploit the bounty system just to fuck with other players as well.  The random fisher that gets killed is not likely going to spend his own silver to put out a bounty on another player, however the asshole that karma bombs now is likely to keep doing it and then spend his silver to put out a "bounty" on another player, and it'll be a bull shit 1 silver bounty just to make sure that person is red, not as an actual reward, so he can troll not only the Sheriff but also the person he trolled earlier.

3b, also along the lines of the Survival game, the devs have even said that they designed grind spots with the intent purpose to get players to fight over the resources.

4, So you did quit, continued to troll the forums for many months, and then come back, and here is your "justification" for quitting.

"I have actually started to pick up my BDO activity these past few weeks. So I do actually play the game... these days. Though I would never spend as much time and money in a Skill-let paradise as some of you guys have. I have other games where skill don't take a backseat, to try hard in."

Yet funny thing is, you think that it's a skill-let paradise, when if you were to have watched even a single minute of the AoA tournament that when the gear is similar skill matters a lot.  Case in point, earlier today I was setting up a new Witch as a boss alt at Pollies, she is in Oasis gear with Capotia Accessories 250AP 282 DP, some Ninja on Arsha attacked me while in rotation and got the drop on me 1 time, 1 tapped me just barely out of Grab, I came back and clowned on him for the next half hour, ended up killing him who was at least 269N320 with 250N282.  Witch is one of the worst 1v1 classes in the game, let alone an 820SP level 60 Succ Witch vs a Ninja.  I'm not claiming to be good, i'm just saying that that guy was just that bad.  I ended up dying 3-4 times, and killed him at least 25, before he called his Striker buddy in and I had to leave, can't really fight 2v1 with a severe gear disadvantage.  

Give them pve servers then they can experience the shitty fun of no pvp while people grind on top of you like seasonal channels. Let them have 5-10 channels of that aids idc as long as they go away.