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[Succ Nova] New Enrage Mechanic problems must be solved !
Oct 28, 2021, 17:27 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Oct 29, 2021, 12:40 (UTC)
# 1

Hi, I wanna introduce and explain how bad is last change for Axian's enrage mode and we community of Succ Nova would be grateful for some change about it or even full rework(even removing it in trade for somehing) of this mechanic.

 

First let me show what exactly change is about:

"Changed the way Axian enrages as follows:

- Axian will now enrage when Nova's HP drops to 40% or below.

- Axian's enrage lasts for approx. 1 minute, and will last for its entire duration even if Nova's HP is restored to 40% or higher.

- The enrage will end after approx. 1 minute, and will not re-activate even if Nova's HP drops to 40% or below for a certain period of time.

- Axian will no longer obey any of Nova's commands while enraged."

It came out bugged so we already got one fix:

"Fixed the issue where Axian's enraged state would end abruptly in certain situations."

 

So lets start, first of all change came out of nowhere and there was no way to even test it out at global lab.
I talked with some players and we came to the conclusion that change was to prevent afk grinding activity, I know that something must be done with it to make impossible to do but not in a way that you guys did it. We are disgusted that some random change for our class made us, involved Succ Nova players suffers in every kind of pvp activity (1vs1, small scale, large scale, etc.). This change just force more randomness in our gameplay that we and our opponents most hate about the class, thats ridiculous in my point of view.

 

Let me explain why this change is so bad in many aspects:
- Firstly as summoner class you cannot order Axian do to things as you wanna him to make. Before that change that was only applied below 40% HP, now he is doing his own for whole 1 minute, this is just nonsense to me that you are losing ability to order your own summon in order you wanna. That make us losing so much dmg in spot that you at this moment wanna make with all command skills, ability to poke or fish for cc with him for skill such as Command: Opening and Prime: Icy Prison (S+E). Things like this can happen when you are dropped below 40% and immediately got healed up by your allies or just own HP potions in time.
- Secondly while doing 1 vs 1 you might get dropped even to 35% and survived to get your HP back. After 10s. you will get catch with grab or some other CC, but thanks to new enrage mechanic Axian will apply CC limit to your opponent because of his random paterns while enraging and make you unable to perform proper combo. That may cause that your opponent will stand up and coutner you with his tools. Situation like these are annoying in fast pace combat MMO game like Black Desert when everything is all about making proper combos because of how CC mechanic works. This is not enjoyable at all.
- Thirdly even after fix mechanic still seems bugged to some players for example diffrent CD for enrage (1min., 4min., 10min., etc.) or even not reseting at all. You have to resummon Axian in order to prevent things like that to happen. We don't even know how much CD is it because all you mentioned is "certain amount of time", what that even means, that some frivolous writing, how you can even write it like that when its all about proper gameplay with our beloved class. On top of that while enrage CD is up you are losing Axian below 40% in every form, nor in command skills, nor in enrage for who knows because diffrent players seems diffrent CD time.
- Fourthly and last, all that nonsense about enrage mechanic force you to for example resummon Axian in order to get him back or command as you wanna. In many scenario that some sec. of resummon window might be deadly for you to try get him back. This is disgusting in my point of view as involved Succ Nova player because it provides annoying gameplay to play, triggering thing to remember and do in long fights and may even get you caught in that short unprotected window while summoning with Prime:Icy Prison (S+E).

 

We would be grateful if something can be done with this. As I said whole change just put more randomness in our gameplay and make it unfun to play around it. You can talk about here in topic or at our class discord(link here: https://discord.gg/4PrzEHm). This is some frivolous case that to prevent afk grinding activity which is minor problem in my opinion you made us suffer in many scenario of our pvp gameplay. I am asking, just why ?!
Here is some of my examples how you can solve this problem:
- withdraw whole change with enrage mechanics and make it that exceptionally Succ Nova cannot setup pots below 50/60%. There is no reason why someone would drop HP below that and auto healed with pots at that %.
- get rid of enrage mechanics and give us something in trade, for example lower iframe CD to 5s. or even some new skill, new prime version, add some FG or protection to skills.
- give Axian new mode below 40% HP that he will be healing you for 30s. instead of draining your HP, some bonus stats meanwhile that mode.

 

I hope more of Succ Nova players will hop there and write how annoying this new change is, I am very disgusted about how you guys treated us with your lack of competence to prevent some afk grinding nonsense.

 

yours faithfully CoVeR
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Last Edit : Oct 28, 2021, 17:59 (UTC)
# 3

Remove enrage completely and make icy fog an iframe like guardians side step

Last Edit : Oct 28, 2021, 19:54 (UTC)
# 4

I completely agree Cover.


I'm glad some one took the time to write the post explaining why its bad. Losing access to command opening and s+e is HUGE. It makes no sense. I don't even think PA bothered to internally test the change, they just "did it" because of some low end players afking mobs.

 

Someone said the CD to enrage is 10mins. So 1 min up time, 9min down time for a shitty mechanic. Enrage should just be removed and they compensate in other areas. Because its absolutely useless and crippling.

 

The worst part is that enraged axion range is so small, it won't target someone far away. Yet you lose access to your long range nukes while he is enraged. Furthermore enraged axian damage is weak. I seen players complaining it can 100-0 enemies. Yeah right, maybe if they are undergeared. Other wise it doesn't even put a dent in the players I've fought again. 

 

PA shows once again they don't listen, they don't care they just make random changes based upon who knows the hell what.

Last Edit : Nov 3, 2021, 14:59 (UTC)
# 5

For me it should completely review the nova succ even compared to it's two minions it should give it a much less random gameplay and more skilled as part example removed the two minions and left only axion with a damage buff, and allow that he attacks all the time and make the a little more like the tamer succes with heilang that could allow the advesaire to see coming a little more attacks them instead of having two minions half-bawled on their stun and casually impossible to predict and to allow him to have a more interesting buff, for example adding a new mechanic where the nova could do a transformation with axion a bit like the berserk succ or something like that because the buff and casiment useless for me I don't see a big difference, or even added a new transformation mechanism or the lost pvp nova during this process but it would be very powerful.

Sorry for my bad english

Tell me what you think of it

 

Last Edit : Nov 11, 2021, 22:52 (UTC)
# 6

Hi,

 

CoVeR mostly agree, the current solution has the opposite effect, now something that should be saved in crisis situations makes the character helpless and weakened. Now ernage can turn on after 2-3 seconds after losing HP below 40% and it starts attacking after another 2 seconds, which in PvP duel does not make any sense when the whole fight can last a total of 4-6 seconds. 

 

I've been playing NOVA for a long time and I know grinding on AFK doesn't make any sense when the block value drops below 40%, the mobs simply pull the character out of the sprot (tested)

 

I still can't understand this part of the change below:

"Command: Opening - Fixed the issue where the skill wouldn't activate even after blocking during Quoratum's Protection."

How can they fix a bug that caused Command: Opening wouldn't activate even after blocking during Quoratum's Protection in such a way that it doesn't activate at all now.

This change / bug to which no one in the support can answer me (I ignore the fact that some answers look like the person who replied d not even read the ticket) is it a bug, or maybe what is written in the patch note from 10/14/2021 is wrong and now it works fine.

The way it worked before, it often saved in crisis situations on the spot and protected against the loss of crystals and experience.

 

 

 

Last Edit : Jan 13, 2022, 22:11 (UTC)
# 7

Hi, with reboot class, it look like nova sucession is broken, shield block dont work with frontal attack,  Axian's enrage mode dont work in pvp.. This class has been so nerf during 2021, that now, we are not any more a class tank.. 382 DP Sucession whith shied 100 can be 1 combo shot with some reboot class. No sense to get a shield.

 

Thank to share your opinion after reboot class

 

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