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My honest feedback about Grabs and Protections
Nov 12, 2021, 07:24 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 12, 2021, 07:24 (UTC)
# 1

First of all, sorry for any mistake.

Since a long time, players are crying about grabs. They are crying but it's very punitive and easy to use. It's true.

For a long time, players are crying about grabs. They are crying, but it's very punitive and easy to use. It's true.
But I think the problem is somewhere else. I think the problem is from Protections.
In 2018, Pearl Abyss decided to remove a lot of protected CC, a lot of SA, FG / Iframe. But since that year, Pearl Abyss gave back protections. They din't give back protected CC, but only SA FG IFrame. And in my opinion, that's the problem.

Actually, if I don't look Q block, some classes can be permanently protected. They have protected combo and protected mobility. And when you are one of those classes, and you get grabbed, you get frustrated. Which is totally understable. But let's be honest, without the grab, how can we apply a bound to a class which is spamming Iframe or SA?
You can't.

But a lot of players prefer to see a nerf on the grab instead of losing SA / Iframe. And in my opinion, with the actual state of the game, all Super Armor, all I-frames should be definitely removed from the game. Only Forward Guard should exist. I'm going to explain my mind on it.

Super Armor is too strong, you take DMG but you don't take CC, if you don't have a grab, you can't CC a class which spamming an SA rotation all the time.
Iframe is just the most stupid mechanic ever. You don't take CC, you don't DMG. And with the actual state of the game, you need at least 2 Iframe to be god.

And why add only Forward Guard protection ? You don't take a lot of damage from the front, or controls. But your back is vulnerable which is a perfect balance.


So if Pearl Abyss does this, I don't mind about losing my grab or get a longer CD.

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Last Edit : Nov 12, 2021, 09:56 (UTC)
# 2

Here is a simple balance request from a player who mains a ranged grab class. 

 

A.) If you are playing a spec that can stay protected for more than 66% of the fight you should have all your grabs removed.

B.) If you are playing a spec that is unprotected for more than 50% of the fight. You should have immense burst damage to compensate.

C.) Non Protected grabs cooldowns should be increased by 50% Protected grabs cooldowns should be increased by 150% Non Protected ranged grabs cooldowns should be increased by 100%. Protected ranged grabs should have a minimal of 40 second cooldown on their grabs. Grabs in this game are more powerful then ultimates on 60 cooldown or more in other PvP games.

D.) Give players a CC break on a 20 to 30 second cooldown.

E.) If grabs are here to stay then remove more than half the protections from classes with grabs.

 

If they don't want to do any of this. Then just give every class a ranged or protected grab.

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Last Edit : Nov 12, 2021, 19:07 (UTC)
# 4

there are issues regarding grab changes, increasing the cooldown is totally fine but that is not the optimal change for all of the classes.
Grab setup, Grab box , having more than 1 grab, Cancels 
sage or hash can instant grab you, they can position themselves very well and don't have any fail animation at all.
ninja /Kuno have block jump that's what you need to nerf for them to be counted toward grab nerf 
in case of ninja and Kuno you should remove the iframe from block jump and then ask them how they feel about grabs being unprotected 
Lahn /mystic /striker dash grab /flash grab and grab box and warrior Solar grab that you can't even react 
these are the stuff that you have to consider to make changes. why corsair awakening grab that almost no one uses have "LONGER" cd than a Lahn grab?

imagine a mystic that can flash and pops up behind you like block jump now if that grab has a SA or not it doesn't matter, the fact that there is a skill that is iframe and move you from front and takes you behind the enemy and set everything up for you super quick makes that fight unfair  

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Asumay
Last Edit : Nov 12, 2021, 23:27 (UTC)
# 5
On: Nov 12, 2021, 17:44 (UTC), Written by Franklins

Grabs are needed to deal with 360 FG SA, if you are going to suggest that ranger loses her grab, 360 FG SA needs to be removed.

 

I know reading is actually hard for you. But go back and carefully read what I wrote. You know what I'm feeling pretty generous atm so I'll spell it out for you. Ranger under my suggestions would not lose her grab. She would have her grab cooldown increased by 50% under my suggestions.

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Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 08:59 (UTC)
# 7
On: Nov 13, 2021, 00:40 (UTC), Written by Franklins

Why would anyone bother to read the trash you write, I read the first part which was utter garbage and stopped.

 

Ok troll who doesn't even play the game. So you admitted to not reading anything I say. Yet you say it's garbage.

 

I think that is most of your problem. That you are too dumb and emotional to provide any type of constructive feedback. Also you don't even play the game.

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Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 12:47 (UTC)
# 9
On: Nov 13, 2021, 11:10 (UTC), Written by Franklins

Everything you write is utter garbage about how BDO is "P2W" needing $150,000 just to start playing, showing that you know nothing current about BDO, you constantly bring up trash that was changed over 2 years ago, Your most recent trash you wrote about a ranged class able to "Stay protected" 66% of the time should lose their grab is utter BS.

 

 

 

Go find the post on this forums where I said that you need $150,000 to be able to play BDO. Or I'm just going to call you out for  being a habitual liar. Last I check I said if you want to be competitive in the current BDO RBF, Node Wars, or Siege. You'll need to spend either around 3,000 or more hours grinding, or around $20,000 to $50,000 to skip said grind. That was true when I posted that. There was no cheaper guaranteed PEN armor or weapons. There was no guaranteed PEN accessories. There was no decently paying grind spots for mid tier players to make silver at. Either you spend the time to grind 80m - 150m silver per hour. Or pay real life money to skip the grind. Or gamble with a 92% chance or more to fail and waste your time and silver.

 

Yeah either that or give every spec in the game access to that overpowered mechanic. It's called balance. You have once again demostrated that you are a emotional wreck. Also incapable of any symblance of logical or constructive discussion. You accused me of doing exactly of what you are doing right now.

 

Nobody is stupid. We know you either don't currently have a established BDO account because you've been banned. Or just so much of a pathetic troll that you are afraid to post on your actual account. So everything you say is pretty much irrelevent. Go away the adults are talking now.

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 17:04 (UTC)
# 10

make grabs work only on fg and SA problem solved.

 

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