The Devs have done everything BUT open PVE Servers
Mar 27, 2022, 19:59 (UTC)
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# 191
On: Apr 5, 2022, 16:03 (UTC), Written by Junie
Normal servers give 33% less loot than Arsha, not 50%. A proper equivalent would be pve servers that give -33% drop rate.
Anyway, isn't the whole point of world pvp that you find it fun and engaging? People in wow will opt into war mode purely for pvp, for example. There is technically a small buff but it may as well not exist. Is the pvp not its own reward? It seems to me that if they made these servers, they could do maybe a 5% drop rate buff on servers with pvp enabled just so that pvpers don't feel like they're actively hurting themselves by choosing what they enjoy, but keeping it small means not giving the opposite feeling to the pve players either.
But no matter what, playing on Arsha is still playing in a pvpve setting. If you want to do pvp only and see it as its own reward, you choose RBF.
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Apr 5, 2022, 18:48 (UTC)
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You don't want a pve server; what you actually want is a server without forced pvp. This would be a server that still has arena, the pvp arenas outside of most towns, dueling and a way to flag for pvp but not force flag others.
I know that sounds stupid but maybe they think you want a server without pvp at all.
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Apr 5, 2022, 21:54 (UTC)
# 193
On: Apr 5, 2022, 18:48 (UTC), Written by Noyjitat
You don't want a pve server; what you actually want is a server without forced pvp. This would be a server that still has arena, the pvp arenas outside of most towns, dueling and a way to flag for pvp but not force flag others.
I know that sounds stupid but maybe they think you want a server without pvp at all.
What we think has been clearly told, and even the simple presence of a regular channel without owpvp would still be a threat to other owpvp channels and to pvpve balance in the game.
It would remove some well geared pvpve players from the owpvp if they think they can make more money on pure pve setting. It would use devs resources and create new expectations from players. It would make some classes completely useless. It is not desirable in a PvPvE game like BDO.
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Apr 5, 2022, 22:11 (UTC)
# 194
On: Apr 5, 2022, 21:53 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud
What we think has been clearly told, and even the simple presence of a regular channel without owpvp would still be a threat to other owpvp channels and to pvpve balance in the game.
It would remove some well geared pvpve players from the owpvp if they think they can make more money on pure pve setting. It would use devs resources and create new expectations from players. It would make some classes completely useless. It is not desirable in a PvPvE game like BDO.
Essenitally they are choosing to stick with OwPvP and their original vision, as opposed to what would likely be more popular and desired.
If the argument is that the PvE servers would be too popular that it would leave the OwPvP servers too empty, then they made the decision to stay more true to the game they want to make vs. what the masses would likely want.
Which is fine. It is what it is. Personally I already got too bored of grinding since returning to care that much lol.
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Apr 5, 2022, 23:40 (UTC)
# 195
On: Apr 5, 2022, 16:57 (UTC), Written by Kagedancer
I believe that Karmabombing is real, but not all situations are karmabombing.
I think a scrub interrupting someone already grinding and trying to grind over them, and being a constant nuisance in hopes of being killed over and over until the grinder has to leave is a karmabomber.
I think a weaker player who is grinding and is invaded and killed repeatedly, but refusing to leave their grind spot is not.
For me it's about who is the aggressor and the intent. For me, the "karmabomber" is the aggressor in the first situation, but not in the second. The problem is many players here would call the invaded person who does not want to leave where they have been grinding as a Karmabomber, when they were not the aggressor.
I agree that the former behavior is toxic, but the anti so called "karmabombing" crowd don't differentiate betweent the two, and their "solutions" would punish the latter. That's why I won't agree to anything like what they want.
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Apr 6, 2022, 06:11 (UTC)
# 198
On: Apr 6, 2022, 02:59 (UTC), Written by Yeda
None of that is proven or substantiated.
Your essential claim is that PVE would be harmful or destructive to the game. Lets not pretend that's not what you are pushing here. However, that would invalidate seasons and olivia being PVE only. All those harmful effects would apply to those servers. People may try to discredit that as being "for new players", but the effects would be the same.
"It would make some classes completely useless"
Is this statement true? It's not proven in any way, but it suggests that some classes are defective and can't compete in PVE. It assumes they would be in constant competition with other players. Not substantiated, just propaganda.
It's filled with flaws. If the class is so broken in PVE then it's the developers responsibility to fix that. The class ideally wouldn't be played much to begin with it and PVP wouldn't resolve their silver/hr. A PVE rebalance would. Thus, your claim isn't valid.
Did you play on seasons(not on the seasonal PvP)? Did you go to an overcrowded grind spot, in which anybody struggled to make a progress? Did you encounter any non-toxic behavior people not to eliminate the mobs in your rota? Did your XP buffs go to waste? Do you feel like several less mobile classes get outclassed in clear speed, albeit they usually do good amount of damage?
PvE servers are going to be no different than seasonal PvE - Chaotic and more toxic than you think. I am not sure, what you mean by "propaganda", since this is already well known. Maybe you're not playing this game and just want to be a troll. It is your arguements that are invalid.
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Apr 6, 2022, 06:58 (UTC)
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On: Apr 6, 2022, 02:59 (UTC), Written by Yeda
"It would make some classes completely useless"
Is this statement true? It's not proven in any way, but it suggests that some classes are defective and can't compete in PVE. It assumes they would be in constant competition with other players. Not substantiated, just propaganda.
It's filled with flaws. If the class is so broken in PVE then it's the developers responsibility to fix that. The class ideally wouldn't be played much to begin with it and PVP wouldn't resolve their silver/hr. A PVE rebalance would. Thus, your claim isn't valid.
Hes claim is totaly valid. If you go to PvE only server with some classes and another class comes and start to grind over you, you can only relog. On normal server you can PvP with intruder. Example if you dont understand. Two days ago I was grinding with my ranger and lahn come and start grind over me. He leave after 3 rotation after realising that he just cant kill mobs faster than me. Usualy this aplly to every mele vs ranged classes. Its been always in MMOs generaly. And yes you just proved our point. PvE only server would need a lot of reworks to make your kind happy. If wasnt that they would put one PvE server few years ago, like Arsha. But all of you just dont realise the consequences.
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Apr 6, 2022, 07:18 (UTC)
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On: Apr 6, 2022, 06:58 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone
Hes claim is totaly valid. If you go to PvE only server with some classes and another class comes and start to grind over you, you can only relog. On normal server you can PvP with intruder. Example if you dont understand. Two days ago I was grinding with my ranger and lahn come and start grind over me. He leave after 3 rotation after realising that he just cant kill mobs faster than me. Usualy this aplly to every mele vs ranged classes. Its been always in MMOs generaly. And yes you just proved our point. PvE only server would need a lot of reworks to make your kind happy. If wasnt that they would put one PvE server few years ago, like Arsha. But all of you just dont realise the consequences.
They should learn how to grind more efficiently. I don't get outgrinded.
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