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[Disability access and inclusivity, Uk law and such] This is for CM and GM (important feedback)
May 17, 2022, 16:05 (UTC)
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Last Edit : May 19, 2022, 13:35 (UTC)
# 1

Posting here and not via a ticket as more that one CM,GM need to take not of the issues. as I feel some of the GMs i encounter are going above their station when it come to this topic.

Yes it's in a video, it covers  Youtube(same issues apply to bdo) as well as BDO Directly, very important topics raised that effect BDO. I Doing my bit here, informing BDO well ahead of time because i love the game. 

This topic is behond the scope of most people on the forum so do not try an post (it would just be spam). Not what this is for. Im using the feeback section to give staff important feedback that is not up for descuison as you will not be qualified to understand the topic. You option on my disabilities is not welcome nor in good taste.

-as this topic will be beyond most and comments are not welcome. None CM,GM? DO NOT visit the video and don't post. all it takes-

Additon (19th may); as vote are basically Anonymous comments, i will do my best to take them onbaord. I will assume people did'nt like me beeing 'anti woke' in the video? my calling out of fake virtue singling (not bdo, they havent dont that).

*Sorry but im just not on the woke trend train* but open to listen to your side of the argument as i could be wrong for thinking wokness as gone to far? seems a lot of you are still all for it?

Last Edit : May 17, 2022, 16:24 (UTC)
# 2

The chance for PA ppl to read it on the forum is way less than on the ticket, as it's literately their jobb to read and handle the tickets, meanwhile the forum is only here so the ppl can shitpost to each other for no actuall reason...

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Last Edit : May 17, 2022, 17:07 (UTC)
# 3

First off sorry for ignoring your request not to post here or watch the video but the reason to why I do this is because you posted this as a public comment, a public video but, most of all: As I watched it you addressed people on the other side and I came to understand that there is clearly a lack of mutual understanding. For me being one of "them" I think it was good that you made a public statement to potentially improve the situation for both (!) sides. No one should like to hurt, neglect, penalise or treat people with disrespect. Doing so because of lack of knowledge is not a desirable position to be in.

I. e. I know myself about the "good advise" reflex you mention. It´s a common human habit, attempting to "help" by providing advise. This is not necessarily lazyness or lack of care but often simply helplessness. By providing "good" adivse, one feels at least that they´ve done something good (even if it wasn´t the case). Humans work that way that they feel the need for social compliance and this kinda does it, at least on the surface. With all the trouble and nuisance that you experience, unfortunately others still need to be given the chance to understand what´s up or nothing will improve. In that vein I´ve posted this here. GJ on the video!

EDIT: If you feel my post is useless then let me know and I can edit this away.

Last Edit : May 17, 2022, 17:50 (UTC)
# 4
On: May 17, 2022, 17:03 (UTC), Written by pal256

First off sorry for ignoring your request not to post here or watch the video but the reason to why I do this is because you posted this as a ...

That's all good, intresting to hear, ty.

On: May 17, 2022, 16:24 (UTC), Written by CatDK

The chance for PA ppl to read it on the forum is way less than on the ticket, as it's literately their jobb to read and handle the tickets, meanwhile the forum is only here so the ppl can shitpost to each other for no actuall reason...

It's more of a legal standing thing, publishing in a ‘public’ forum (old days it may be a newspaper, this won’t be my only location). Not that I wish to take any legal action against BDO, no have reason too. I also hope they take it on board...

 

Why? imagine how worried I get when I see 2f by phone creeping in, Streamer singing it's praises, and guides being asked for. It they made that mandatory, we then I have to fight for my account access. I don't wanna do that, they dont wanna be in that position. This helps avoid that ever happening (be it from me or anyone else with the same issues)

 

Staff in the forums have picked up on such issues before, I know they do read the forums and I know they listen to these subjects. I won’t explain how I know, but I’m impressed by BDO staff (some) on this topic.

 

And even the ones that may not fully understand, I know they aren’t 'get in the way' because they are bad or stupid, just misunderstanding and they have tried to address an issue that they don’t fully understand.

 

Tickets work within a very defined system, and they were unable to address similar issues. I don’t know if the GM then went on to mention it to higher ups?  but could not engage with me on the level needed, or if they missed the point, or if they though 'No my problem' (wich is the response I got last time, paraphrasing but not by much)

Also imaging puting a down vote on a video asking for support access for disabled people :P, why i can't repect this place.

Rhetorical (Is it the fact im disabled they dont like, or that i wanna makesure BDO has no issues in the future, by passing on my knowledge .. who knows.. they dont :P)

Last Edit : May 18, 2022, 21:58 (UTC)
# 5

Since you asked that we don't watch the video, what exactly is your disability that this game has issues tailoring for you? There are certain things that you can do to improve the game such as using nvidia control panel to adjust games by injecting a shader or replacing the font with open dyslexic?

From the title "mental health, inculsivity, equality" sounds pretty backwards and I hope this isn't a real law, or if it is, there's a valid reason behind it? Games should be up to the artistic talents of the creators and no law should be made to protect individuals who purchase it other than limited return policies.

I'd hate to release a game only to be told it was illegal in the EU because it didn't have 20% transgender people in it. Or it's a viking game and it wasn't inclusive of Chinese people when it's basically all 100% norwegians lol. Generally businesses are more than happy to oblige in extending their fanbase via reasonable requests but of course PA is the exception here where they have a tendency to do the complete opposite.

Anyway, it might be something that can be fixed on your end without having them add a menu option for it if you share info on what you need. Is it 2FA that you're asking about? I'm not 100% what your question is. And as for downvotes, this is BDO so I'm not surprised by that >.>;

Last Edit : May 19, 2022, 12:57 (UTC)
# 6
On: May 18, 2022, 21:56 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

Since you asked that we don't watch the video, what exactly is your disability that this game has issues tailoring for you? There are certain things that you can do to improve the game such as using nvidia control panel to adjust games by injecting a shader or replacing the font with open dyslexic?

From the title "mental health, inculsivity, equality" sounds pretty backwards and I hope this isn't a real law, or if it is, there's a valid reason behind it? Games should be up to the artistic talents of the creators and no law should be made to protect individuals who purchase it other than limited return policies.

I'd hate to release a game only to be told it was illegal in the EU because it didn't have 20% transgender people in it. Or it's a viking game and it wasn't inclusive of Chinese people when it's basically all 100% norwegians lol. Generally businesses are more than happy to oblige in extending their fanbase via reasonable requests but of course PA is the exception here where they have a tendency to do the complete opposite.

Anyway, it might be something that can be fixed on your end without having them add a menu option for it if you share info on what you need. Is it 2FA that you're asking about? I'm not 100% what your question is. And as for downvotes, this is BDO so I'm not surprised by that >.>;

TLDT;

i state 'DO NOT visit the video and don't post. all it takes'

you decided to take the opotinuity to not watch the video but still tell us your feeling on a random topic. If you where coming to comment agains my request, you could ahve atlest watch the video. Do both or niether.

you dont even know what the topic is, as you dont know the issues. so how can you comment ? Madness!

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sorry dont descussing that on the forum.

re; 'Since you asked that we don't watch the video, what exactly is your disability that this game has issues tailoring for you?' >

'Im using the feeback section to give staff important feedback that is not up for descuison as you will not be qualified to understand the topic. You option on my disabilities is not welcome nor in good taste.'

but you are assuming is an in game issue. There was noting stopping you watching the video if you were going to comment against my wishes. And you would have known that your comment was irrelevant.

You selected not to watch the video but selected not to disregard regard my none comment request. What can i do here? Im being reasonable, but I will now be seen as the ass for point this out.

and this is why i asked for no comments from people like your self

'From the title "mental health, inculsivity, equality" sounds pretty backwards and I hope this isn't a real law, or if it is, there's a valid reason behind it? Games should be up to the artistic talents of the creators and no law should be made to protect individuals who purchase it other than limited return policies.'

you have no idea what you’re talking about, I do. why? because I have studied this are and you have not. You also do not no what we are talking about here and have made assumptions. why? No really tell me why, i wanna talk about this, its interesting

it’s okay not to know something… I don’t know Shakespeare; I would not then go into a conversation on Shakespeare and give my 2 cent. You do not know disability law, or even the topic that has been brought up, but you still wanna give you 2 cent even against my requests. Yes very interesting.

If I was to assume, I think you saw the terms ‘mental health, inculsivity, equality’ and assumed its some ‘woke’ bs trying to get stuff, trying to get special treatment? Did you have a knee-jerk emotional reaction and then posts before checking your assumptions?

Given you then go onto ‘I'd hate to release a game only to be told it was illegal in the EU because it didn't have 20% transgender people in it.’

We can assume im probably correct. You have had an emotional reaction.

I wish to state at this point this user is not on topic at all. They have come in here with asumstion of the topic, not looked and started a conversation based on their own reality. They have Spammed, they are angery at something that is not even this topic, but they have come here to fight it.

They dont even not my position on thier random topic, we propaly agree on that one, but that is not the topic here. that how stupid this is. Imagine that? What they are saying, i agree with, problam is, it has nothing to do with what i posted! Its 100% spam! you see that forum staff? This is what i deal with. 

*Its not me beeing an ass, its popele not reading or adressing the post, rathere what they asumme the post is*

I can’t win, you make it clear, you ask people not to do this… and if I was to call them stupid? I would be in the wrong .

Tooshaitopost intetions come from a good place, but it dosent change thet the spamed a random topic nto this thread. Seporate the issues, yes we can acree with Tooshaitopoststatment, but they have nothing to do with my topic!

How many of the downvotes did the same? and then people get angery when i point out there mistake, and fight tooth and nail...

Its on the forum staff you modrate such things. I still dont agree that they do it well and that's why a lot of people avoid these forums. I dont, i enjoy studiing you lot :P but i know it a usless forum for debate with othere users. THEY DO NOT READ!

adidion; to CMs cus you are good people. Do you think people like myself should be discuraged in this way? look at what happening right here. Watch the video (Part of your job) so you know what the topic is. and see what these poeple would have me feel unwelcome to bring up. I think we have an issue here?

It wont stop me, im awsome :P but imagine the others that will never say a word and just walk away :(

you're community, manage it :)

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Last Edit : May 21, 2022, 17:15 (UTC)
# 8
On: May 21, 2022, 15:19 (UTC), Written by Dankeshai

+1 ... to make phones optional in our societies.

This.

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Last Edit : May 22, 2022, 02:43 (UTC)
# 9
On: May 21, 2022, 15:19 (UTC), Written by Dankeshai

I have tried communicating with you before only to be derided, downvoted, and reported into oblivion just because I dared to slightly disagree with you and your approach to affecting change in the world. It made me angry then, but after some time I realized I love all people and want to see things get better, so I will try again.

I believe you get downvoted because so many of your posts come off as "here is my expert opinion, everyone else's does not matter, don't bother reading this or watching my video or posting unless you agree with me." Not an actual quote, just the tone I see. And then you attack anyone that tries to offer you suggestions at communicating better. Of course, you were nice to that person that echoed what you'd said -- it was just fine for them to watch the video and post.

The actual video has the same tone as the text you post here too. "here is my problem, here is the solution, don't ask for more information I won't give it you, don't try to come up with alternate solutions, just do what I say because what you say will simply be uninformed otherwise, oh and also all of you just fake care about people like me anyway." Again, not an actual quote, just the tone, in case that causes confusion.

But I do see some responses that show the responder obviously didn't watch the video, that is too bad, but also they may have just knee jerk responded since your tone was "don't watch, don't post, you're not qualiified" which tends to rile people up. A softer approach from you would really help, but I realize you are 99% grumpy. ;D

As far as for the actual topic here, not having a phone number makes it quite difficult to get anything done in so many aspects of life, at least here in my country. It is a problem. I currently have health issues I'm having difficulty getting resolved because one company has some really old phone number of mine on record with no way to fix it. And I have a phone. It would be completely impossible without a phone.

And yes, specifically the 2fa with nearly every service requiring a phone is a problem too. I also have issues with phones. I have one because society says I must, but avoid its use as much as possible. I do not use 2fa with any services because of this too, and therefore am less secure, and have lost accounts in the past due to this. I do not get how you can use Twitter, it is even worse than a phone for me, haha. But yes, being able to 2fa with another service like Twitter, Discord, etc. instead of only a phone would be good.

I also have mental challenges (and recent health issues for even more fun) but not as impacting as yours, I think. For example, I have a hard time with vocal dialog and am much better with written text. The auto-speech programs are even more difficult for me to understand. I know last time I interacted with you, I suggested you post a transcript of your videos along with what you're already doing, like people who post lyrics for their songs sometimes, so I (and others) could better understand what you were trying to communicate. I got yelled at and told I was insensitive and should just go away because I didn't know anything about you. I know you didn't mean it, but you hurt another disabled person when you did that. I was so upset I almost deleted my whole account, ended up just deleting all my forums posts at that time, but after a few weeks I calmed down. But is all okay if we learn and grow together.

+1 on your quest to make phones optional in our societies.



if this is inded the case 'suggestions at communicating better. ' then my attempts have failed, even with you, as I explain I struggle to communicate, i can’t play your social games.

How I come off is because of how my brain works, how I was born, i hav tried to work around this and it has not worked... the effort has been one way, becuse you lot assume im just and avrage joe beeing an ass.

(I have tried so hard to explain this, I have made videos on it, I have ask people to try any understand, the effort has been one way, apart from just one poster so far – maybe he an aspi too, looks like to me)

There are plenty of videos out there if people wanted to understand autism and apsi, and may get an understanding of what is going on here. They dont. Nor do the forum staff in most cases.

And im not some rare case, just, most like me would have walked a way a long time ago (unwelcome, confused and see not value in the forums, you all seem very strange to us,, alien and un-understanding), but i actualy sticking it ot rying to learn.. aint that the kicker? All this trouble, its me working really hard to find solutions

I do my best to explain this to people, but no one seem willing to take that on board, the work is all one way.The forums (in most places, become so polarized, there is no room for understanding, Persons such as myself have left, gone of to their own space spaces /echo chambers and separated from ‘normal’ discord. I don’t think that’s good, so here I am, Blut, and ‘trying’)

Should I just give up because other won’t meet me half way? Is the forum unwilling to give me some leeway. Because that’s how it looks to me.

and sure im even more blut, even more 'clear' in my post, but no one see it from my side.

When i try to work with the 'normals', i get lack of understanding. To me it looks like you are blaming a dog for bitting back after you kick it.

I have been all nice and charming before, it changels very little. But here this post, easy to see this one and juge, like there is not reason behide why i am what i am.

Each post for me is part of my learning, a stab in the dark to understand 'normal' behavior. But, im not stupid, I can see this effort is all one way. Thats why i know in a few weeks, its all blows over and i try again with a new tool set. You wil see :)

please walla start meeting me half way? then maybe i can become better at this? (no that is not me but she a resonable presenter)

Will only be you that may look, no one else here gives a dam, i know this. i have tried, but you seem reasonable and smart so i will treate you with some respect.

and it imporatnat to adress when you say;

I believe you get downvoted because so many of your posts come off as "here is my expert opinion, everyone else's does not matter, don't bother reading this or watching my video or posting unless you agree with me." Not an actual quote...

well that exacly what is happening here,100% agree, and its somehow my fault? that i have upset othere peoples feelings? I was blunt to save time,If people are also expert or can prove my point wrong, then there is no issue with them taking me down a peg,but they dont -they anonymous downvote over hurt feelings, or post somthing random to the topic (over and over - and this frustrate the heck out of me, so why try?),

IF I know the subject well, and i know most do not, based on interaction here( empirical reality) am i meant to use some special social games /tool and sugarcoat my wording? To protect feelings?

tried that, doesn’t work. you have come along, see the last few post from me and assume to understand what has happend. Im going the extra mile here to inform you of more, becuse you seem to want to help.

and even you now, this post here, it will get downvotes becuse people will have an emotion responce to me talking about my issue and posting information, my attempt to try and work this out.

The forums  do not work for someone like myself, I find that troubeling. But I’m not gonna give up and walk away. Just how i am. I keep trying and learning. But the learning is one way (just how most people are) - and to expect me to be all smiles and polite, just incase someone new comes along to my little experiement.. that is unresonable and unfair. I have brought you uptodate.

here is anothere stuggel i go to jsut to type, i can show this in my closing statment,that took me 5 minuets to corect the best i could - the hiddent efforts i go to and still get mocked)

---Original typing head to keyboard (everything i type comes out like this)---

And i can guess. What i have said will be ignored, people will intruprated waht i have said and not take it littrale and with niniumube eportion, they will attacke extra hident meaning that is not there, and my effort will be lost. This is not my fault. I hve yet agasint explain how i fuction, this snt somthnig i can simplalty learn to over come, but i try so hard

--My attempt to correct it, after several reads--

And I can guess. What I have said will be ignored. People will interpret what I have said and not take it literal and with minimal Interpretation. They will attach extra hidden meaning when there is not there, and my effort will be lost.

This is not my fault. I have yet again explain how I function, this isn’t something i can simply learn to overcome, but i try so hard.

----------( i still dont now if that is correct, words are abstract to me, and i would also need to pass it though voice to be sure - done videos on this, have posted before, oh, but you knew i when to such efforts?-----

The level i am comunicating at now, given that language is not a normal fuction for me, You have no idea... and when i make a mistake, or cant play the social games, well i get told im the ass. Lack of understand outthere. Just how it is and you know if.

why do i even try anymore, oh that’s right, cus if i don’t, someone comes along and assumes to have the answers and I’m the ass again :P

Tell them they probably don’t? they get hurt feelings.

But im just being blunt and factual, not rude and pommus (that is your interpretation not mine, so you lot need to learn too, fair?)

Lot of information there... but what can i do it’s a complicated subject. I can either say, you won’t understand, or give a disclaimer each post incase I hurt people feeling by pointing out what I know to be correct. As show just now.

>I have tried the disclaimer system, lots of TLDR, or What a broni, oh QQ

>Tried the polite and fake social games. Drove me crazy, so much pointless information and I could not do it well.

>Tried it clear and blunt.

Each time is seems to be a different set of people that get offended, and one of two please come along trying to understand what’s happening.

So, when you say to me 'suggestions at communicating better. ' imagine how you look to me with that comment. How rude, how little understanding you have, but come in with assumption. That’s how I view you. But I try to understand that you do this because you don’t understand, don’t know this topic (the side topic we are on now) and that maybe, you want to listen? Wow, that will be one out of a forum.

And then I can go though this with the next version of you that pops along? Not a good system is it?

Given all that, let’s be truthful, do you think anyone on the forum cares to understand this? or just hate on the freak? Because, if I was the same as the most, my actions would be easily interpreted as anti social… viewed though the lens of aspersers, it’s a very different picture.

But no one care … not even the staff (the ones I have raised this with)

ADDITON;

re 'I have tried communicating with you before only to be derided, downvoted, and reported into oblivion just because I dared to slightly disagree'

i'm one person and not like on the forum. if you got reproted and downvoted (take more thant one reports, i have learnt this :P), its not becuse for my reaction. I don't have groups of friends on here, I do not use my channel to attack the forum (i need this to be organic for me to learn, nor would my sub be intrested /impressed if i asked them too,nor do most of them come here). Chances are, it's becuse you only  'slightly disagree', tried to interact with me and didn't not join the bandwaggon, so,you also got the same backlash. Group think, just how it is.

anyone that tries to understand, well they gotta be tuff too, becuse you wil get flack for just giving me a chance. Use logic, it not me that attacked you in secret.

*This post in the form it is - best i can do, not that mucher here, hours of work for me to post it - so yup, i get a little ticked off when poeple think im not trying, a post does not take your normals hours, oh boy! am i working my ass off*

Last Edit : May 22, 2022, 08:16 (UTC)
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Last I checked, you aren't a moderator.  People are free to post on this thread and watch the video.  I will do both.

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