People spend thousands of hours(and dollars?) on their favorite class and pour their hearts into it, nerfing a class to such an extent as PA has done to Shai on Global labs is completely unreasonable. Shai's state has been like this for months/years why decide on nerfing it now?

It is obvious Shai is highly desirable in Oluns groups and high-end grind spots but that's no reason to nerf her to the ground. It's okay for classes to have a niche. Some previous classes had this exact niche like Succ Sage when his dmg wasn't nerfed(you should revert that btw). Succ Striker is still highly desirable in Oluns groups so is he next on the chopping block?

If PA dislikes the communities behavior of giving Shais priority in Olun groups then they should consider buffing the PVE utility and dmg of other classes.

The core issue here is that Shai has -%DP skills, including 'Misty Haze', a massive -25% DR debuff if you have PEN Sol. This breaks Crypt of Resting Thoughts (Strikers duoing with Shais now), Calpheon Elvia (some reports on KR of 3 billion silver/hr), and other high-end, ultra-DR spots.

-%DP skills need to be fixed, but there also needs to be valid compensation, not +6% accuracy and some minor QoL changes. The fix, as implemented, is extreme and destroys a mid-tier class that was entirely balanced around that one skill.

My suggestion continues to be to cap the -DR value of -%DR (eg -25% DR would cap at -100 vs -125 on a 500DR mob or similar). Old spots would stay about the same, and new spots would scale as PA intends.

Oh, and yes. Absolutely nerf Striker :)

P.S. Feels strange to hear reasonable discourse from a Sage main instead of 'now you know how it feels'. Thanks for your support!

Sage has gone through enough unwarranted nerfs, I can't sit idly by while another class gets gutted.

Pa seems to like changing identities of classes they have done it to awaken kuno so many times. But deffinitley is kinda sad they are just going through the b tier classes an lower for pve and nerfing them (succ kuno a exception i think she was A to A+ tier)

For example this year i have seen for nerfs  on lower tier classes in pve have been:

Archer

Shai

Tamer

Awaken Kuno

Awaken sage and succ sage

Pretty sure a succ nova did aswell

Awaken lahn the  list goes on ..

In a game that is so centered on PVE it is mind-boggling how things like the succession sage dmg nerfs went through. It is in an absolute meme tier for 7 months now.

i must admit i find this topic funny since u religiously downvote any suggestion that would make awakened casters have a  tiny bit better fighting chance and here its #savepoorclasses movement since u happen to play these classes. 

ontopic shai changes will be a bigger problem in pvp than in pve imho (they at least tried to compensate with leaf generation, accu buff, eva shred and 30 dp shred.... in pvp misty haze was truly strong toold vs other dp builds especially)

I just started posting here after they changed sage in a way that stopped me from enjoying its grind(I've kept waiting for pvp buffs in silence). The rift chain changes are truly the biggest interruption imaginable. I would never post here otherwise, It's quite cringe.

Back on topic, the way PA decides on class changes is from the getgo very bad. Every change they've done recently to these 2 classes has distanced them from the original class identity and fantasy. I would guess that the reason why is because the leading dev behind these classes is not a player of them themselves. Shai is supposed to be a support class. Sage is supposed to be a melee mage(battlemage). taking away Sage's protections when he can only apply dmg near players is basically gutting him. Taking away supporting utility from Shai is essentially gutting her whole purpose. PA should focus their nerfs on things that don't cut the legs the class uses to stand. But then again, we are here talking about the big nerfs of the month when Succession Zerker and Awakening Musa have been almost untouched for the past months. So PA is definitely very wacky and strange in my opinion.

I would go as far to say hes been bullied by these classes when he does play bdo ....

I can't see a downside yet, this gives me so many more things’s to be grumpy about :)

I will play with that is there, a lot of people may not and that's bad news for the game (no big competition landed when we look at it, PA feel safe again).. PA are fast to nerf (kinda, cus they did it for new content) and take years or ignore other issues (gauntlets vs Shai, bubble ,was a time when the debuffs here not working, was left to ride for so long)

It’s PA priority is to preserve a content progression rate over fixing issue that belong to a past project area (e.g. bubble should have got a adressed when it was being creating and tested, It’s dev window is closed).

Even with a drop in share prices and such, I don’t think PA has many worries at this time, so… Strech out the content they have ready, keep the rest in the bank for hard times. Good business! and PA goals, to balance how much they can piss you off before you leave, and not to much that you won’t come back when they show you a shinny.

Not dissin’ PA, just the reality of business.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."