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Tuvala gear once again demonstrates why I enhance *nothing* (real)
Jun 6, 2022, 23:26 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jun 23, 2022, 12:39 (UTC)
# 21
On: Jun 21, 2022, 16:20 (UTC), Written by Enyani

Thinking of new players, though, they're ignorant because the tutorial completely omits anything on failstacking and enhancing beyond 'put a beginner blackstone in and tap'.

You also have to put yourself in the shoes of a new player who doesn't necessarily have everything needed to failstack efficiently beyond access to reblath. To really failstack efficiently you need tens of billions worth of items (at least), a raft of alts, and naders slots to store stacks, none of which a new player will have. In fact, on a new account, you will have one character slot and, until you do the nader quest, no way of transferring your current failstack. When you do get naders, that's still only 2 slots to swap stacks between.

It is very easy to say people aren't doing it right, but having just helped a new player from scratch to pen tuvala in about 2 weeks (whereas I can get full pen tuvala day 1 on season on my own account), there are a lot of barriers you forget about once you've grown your account to a state they no longer exist.  What, for example, do you do if you find yourself with 2 51+ stacks, no tet gear, and have no way to transfer them (other than take out your credit card). If I hadn't been there to advise exactly on how to move stacks around, enhance in a sequence to prevent being stuck with high stacks, and the best stacks for each enhance, etc., etc., it would have taken far longer since there's zero in-game guidance on it. Watching streamers hardcore enhance is of little value if you don't have access to the same tools they do, and a lot of resources are dangerously dated, or inaccurate.

It's another symptom of the failstacking thing having been originally intended as a partially-hidden system that was just meant to help prevent people getting really screwed on enhances. Instead, given the competitive nature of players and the market, it's a system you need Excel and a reasonably degree of probability math to succeed with, particularly given the chance for negative reinforcement (i.e. you can do a mathematically dumb enhance and get a pen blackstar - the observation a certain strategy appears to make money short or even medium-term does not guarantee it's a good strategy. Nor does a strategy losing billions short term necessarily make it a bad one).

Just like every lifeskill, it deserves it's own tutorial chain that covers things like efficiently building stacks, softcaps, hardcaps, and the value of stacks, even if it's jarring to the game lore, since if there's one thing you see turning new players off to the game it's the enhancing. And I'd really like to see Naders given 4 slots by default for new players, even it's a temporary 3-4 week boost.

Fair point. Personally I prefer figuring things out and I'm ok with how enhancing is presented. My account was fresh too, some mistakes have been made but I'm trying to learn. The game ain't exactly new player friendly but that's not necessarily a bad thing imo. Opens up opportunities. People find guilds, make friends and help each other.

Last Edit : Jun 23, 2022, 22:43 (UTC)
# 22
On: Jun 21, 2022, 16:20 (UTC), Written by Enyani

Thinking of new players, though, they're ignorant because the tutorial completely omits anything on failstacking and enhancing beyond 'put a beginner blackstone in and tap'.

You also have to put yourself in the shoes of a new player who doesn't necessarily have everything needed to failstack efficiently beyond access to reblath. To really failstack efficiently you need tens of billions worth of items (at least), a raft of alts, and naders slots to store stacks, none of which a new player will have. In fact, on a new account, you will have one character slot and, until you do the nader quest, no way of transferring your current failstack. When you do get naders, that's still only 2 slots to swap stacks between.

It is very easy to say people aren't doing it right, but having just helped a new player from scratch to pen tuvala in about 2 weeks (whereas I can get full pen tuvala day 1 on season on my own account), there are a lot of barriers you forget about once you've grown your account to a state they no longer exist.  What, for example, do you do if you find yourself with 2 51+ stacks, no tet gear, and have no way to transfer them (other than take out your credit card). If I hadn't been there to advise exactly on how to move stacks around, enhance in a sequence to prevent being stuck with high stacks, and the best stacks for each enhance, etc., etc., it would have taken far longer since there's zero in-game guidance on it. Watching streamers hardcore enhance is of little value if you don't have access to the same tools they do, and a lot of resources are dangerously dated, or inaccurate.

It's another symptom of the failstacking thing having been originally intended as a partially-hidden system that was just meant to help prevent people getting really screwed on enhances. Instead, given the competitive nature of players and the market, it's a system you need Excel and a reasonably degree of probability math to succeed with, particularly given the chance for negative reinforcement (i.e. you can do a mathematically dumb enhance and get a pen blackstar - the observation a certain strategy appears to make money short or even medium-term does not guarantee it's a good strategy. Nor does a strategy losing billions short term necessarily make it a bad one).

Just like every lifeskill, it deserves it's own tutorial chain that covers things like efficiently building stacks, softcaps, hardcaps, and the value of stacks, even if it's jarring to the game lore, since if there's one thing you see turning new players off to the game it's the enhancing. And I'd really like to see Naders given 4 slots by default for new players, even it's a temporary 3-4 week boost.

Ya there tactics to build stacks an statistics calculation to determine what stack you should use and when. This something that we all passively learn when playing the game, but still in the end of the day it RNG you can't predict if you'll succeed an upgrade or not no matter how much you crunch the #s. I mean I succeed on a PEN blackstar first try with an 80 stack, I took the J hammers we got during the server transfer event an just yoloed it an got PEN first try, but my tree armor I failed that PEN 30+ times using a 160 stack. I even recall times gearing seasonal characters were I fail a PEN Tuvalu upgrade 23 times using a 170 stack it was like 60% chance by the time it finally went to PEN.

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