Almost everyone leaves BDO because they learn that the PvE in this game isn't worth the time. Even if it is good-ish, people get tired fast of the RNG mechanics, the casino mechanics and the PvP. The quests are 2-dimensional and boring. Everything about BDO is lackluster and people leave. You might think that the numbers are pretty reasonable but that's because PA focuses its efforts on replacing those numbers with new players. They never actually tailor the game to reward veteran players, only new players. Once they dry your coffers, they'll give you the boot somehow, whether it's them ruining the class you learned to enjoy or just waste 500hrs of your time through RNG that failed in the end.
If PA would stop destroying the game and make the game more appealing to the casual audience it would be a lot more enjoyable. Yes, there are plenty of other games out there and people know it, we move on and that's that. But if that's how you think people should be, then why would you even think there is a future for BDO? Eventually they will tap out the market and there will only be a handful of loyal players who paid to win so much that they feel like they are in too deep to leave. There are plenty of proper PvP oriented RPGs out there that do it right, BDO doesn't and the dumb hack and slash system doesn't suit its crappy engine (or servers) that lags behind.
I've said it before, open world PvP in BDO is not fun. It could be made good but it won't ever be because that's the quality standard they are aiming for. Mediocracy.
Edit: Several downvotes within seconds. That's fine, you can defend your meme game that is laughed at by pretty much everyone in the MMORPG industry. PA touted many changes and improvements for YEARS and they have yet to actually achieve any of those goals except the eternal winter expansion however it was so incredibly minuscule of an expansion that it can hardly be called an achievement. Instead of downvoting and leaving, downvote and say why you disagree. I don't think I'm being unreasonable since I've been patient since when was it? 2016? For improvements. It's clear they can't fix owpvp so turn it into owpve for most channels instead.
Tbh BDO doesn't even reward new players either. Sure the game now hands out full gear = to tri boss gear the first day you login, but beside that new players are just as unrewarded as vet players in regards to progression there just on the lower levels. But ya progression in this game is one of the major factors why people quit the game an also never come back if you don't dedicate your time in the game an treat it like a part time job you fall behind in progression, so when players say there taking a break from BDO well the chances of them coming back decreases the longer they haven't touched the game, because the further they fall behind in progression the less motivation they have to return.
IMO BDO progression system is in need of a full overhaul, as it stands the highest achievable GS is around 750-760 but despite the game being 7 years old less than 1% of the population has reached this GS most of them are whales the few who aren't whales dedicated 12 hours a day into the game for 7 years straight. I don't mind a long term grind to max lvl gear, but to make a grind were I have to invest 7 years of my life playing a game like it a full time job, that goes beyond unreasonable especially when it so easy for PA to just increase the GS cap by adding new items or letting us upgrade are gear to even higher levels.
Now sure people can say "just ignore worrying about your GS an just play the game" well that all an good, but let face it much of what we can do in BDO is mediocrely designed at best so much so that I bet 90% of this game's playerbase don't even know about content that existed for years in it. Like harpoon fishing how many people actually know you can sail out into the ocean an harpoon fish in this game? How many people actually know that you can romance some of the NPCs in towns?
Some people choose bdo because its PvPvE. Yes some people like to grind, some people like to have some PvP while grinding. Some people like slow progression. Even if they are casuals. Some people like challenge. Bdo is for those people.
People who want only PvP, people who want to have max level and top armors in day one, people who like easy one button game dont belong to BDO. They choosed wrong game. F.
Also sory for the spam but Vulpin and Seme are born for eachother :D
Some people choose bdo because its PvPvE. Yes some people like to grind, some people like to have some PvP while grinding.
And for them there is Arsha channel. Nobody said anywhere that in BDO both pve and pvp modes must be connected.
Thers is pve = vs mobs. And many pvp modes:
- team arena
- battle arena
- arena of arsha
- solar arena
- node / counqest wars
- arsha channel
As you can see you can pvp whole day.
And for them there is Arsha channel. Nobody said anywhere that in BDO both pve and pvp modes must be connected.
Thers is pve = vs mobs. And many pvp modes:
- team arena
- battle arena
- arena of arsha
- solar arena
- node / counqest wars
- arsha channel
As you can see you can pvp whole day.
"Nobody said anywhere that in BDO both pve and pvp modes must be connected"? Uhmmm. Excuse me sir, but............The developers of the game, you know, the people who make it, have.............
Also, your usage of Marni's Realm is limited to 1 hour per day.
While we heard your initial feedback on 1 hour being somewhat short, we didn't want Marni's Realm to end up overshadowing the main content of Black Desert, that is, fighting monsters in the open world alongside other Adventurers. Therefore, we have no plans to increase the daily limit at this time.
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/News/Detail?groupContentNo=3183
Do they need to spell it out for you to understand what the bolded part means? :D
And for them there is Arsha channel. Nobody said anywhere that in BDO both pve and pvp modes must be connected.
Thers is pve = vs mobs. And many pvp modes:
- team arena
- battle arena
- arena of arsha
- solar arena
- node / counqest wars
- arsha channel
As you can see you can pvp whole day.
Learn to read. Learn to think.
PvPvE with rules. This is bdo. The devs said it. Also devs, describe BDO as PvP game. Your anti PvP propaganda fails again.
Also why if you are such PvE lovers, you could post with same passion for PvE improvement so the game could benefit. But all you do is against PvP. Well and Devs say every year - game stays PvPvE. End Of Story.
Also you missed one PvP mode which basicaly the very one reason many people choose BDO:
- open world PvP
"Nobody said anywhere that in BDO both pve and pvp modes must be connected"? Uhmmm. Excuse me sir, but............The developers of the game, you know, the people who make it, have.............
Also, your usage of Marni's Realm is limited to 1 hour per day.
While we heard your initial feedback on 1 hour being somewhat short, we didn't want Marni's Realm to end up overshadowing the main content of Black Desert, that is, fighting monsters in the open world alongside other Adventurers. Therefore, we have no plans to increase the daily limit at this time.
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/News/Detail?groupContentNo=3183
Do they need to spell it out for you to understand what the bolded part means? :D
It says they want people to fight monster together not fight each other. Were does that statement imply that they think of the game as a PvPvE game? If anything this the least PvPvE game I've ever seen, the only form of open world PVP that exist is just harassing people via killing them for no reason while their minding their own busisness (usally it always someone who life skill too because these people aren't looking for a fight just to harass someone), or it someone decking someone elses guild an bring 10 people to 10v1 them. An even if it isn't these 2 things what the point of open world beside just trying to harass people? There nothing to actually fight over in this game it not like I need to grind in zone X to earn the matz I need to upgrade my gear, there also zones A,B,C,D,E, etc I can grind at so beside just harassing people what the actual point in open world PVP in this game? What are you fighting over?
You speak s., and when I want a specific answer, all you can do is keep barking.
So you can't name even one mmo similar to BDO.
I know what you want, that's why I'm not giving it to you.
My words :
Even more simple : there are plenty of Mmorpg designed for a pve oriented playstyle, right from the start. The pve experience there is far better because everything has been designed with pve in mind.
I'm simply talking about pve playstyle, pve experience.
Your words :
So we are waiting for the mmo list:
- f2p
- full 3d nice graphics
- most content solo oriented
- no limits (eg. only one life skill profession per char)
- with many, many various activities
- freely changing control settings (and it is not so obvious despite the fact that it is 2022).
- no gacha s.
So name at least 10 or 5 if there are so many of them.
From the start, we can see all the bad faith, and you'll jump on any proposal to complain anyway.
So you can play alone and make all the lists you want. Meanwhile we'll be having a more interesting discussion. ;)
Woof.
It says they want people to fight monster together not fight each other. Were does that statement imply that they think of the game as a PvPvE game? If anything this the least PvPvE game I've ever seen, the only form of open world PVP that exist is just harassing people via killing them for no reason while their minding their own busisness (usally it always someone who life skill too because these people aren't looking for a fight just to harass someone), or it someone decking someone elses guild an bring 10 people to 10v1 them. An even if it isn't these 2 things what the point of open world beside just trying to harass people? There nothing to actually fight over in this game it not like I need to grind in zone X to earn the matz I need to upgrade my gear, there also zones A,B,C,D,E, etc I can grind at so beside just harassing people what the actual point in open world PVP in this game? What are you fighting over?
Re-posting the quote here: "we didn't want Marni's Realm to end up overshadowing the main content of Black Desert, that is, fighting monsters in the open world alongside other Adventurers."
"It says they want people to fight monster together not fight each other."
It says they want people "fighting monsters alongside others". I do not see the word "together" anywhere in the dev quote, care to copy paste where they said "fight monster together"? You are mistakenly equating the words "alongside" with "in-cooperation with", it seems.
>>Alongside definiton from Google: "close to the side of; next to."
Literally, all it means is next to each other. This alone does not determine PvP action or not -- all it means is people are alongside each other. Period. If they want to cooperate? Fine. If they don't? Also fine. This is a sandbox aspect of the game where players make meaningful choices in how to interact with others. Like not wanting to cooperate, starting some drama, and getting into a GVG or guild rivalry. Or, people can choose to work things out and both can have a peaceful gaming experience. Whatever is possible. This is player-driven content in it's most clear and easy to see form. Hence, "PvEvP".
>> PvP and PvE are available, simultaneously, in all areas outside safe zones / Marni Realm / Season. But "available" doesn't always mean "will happen", it just means it's possible. It is, and always has been, a core aspect of the game, and something backed up by numerous dev quotes.
I, and many others here like Sadalsuud -- have repeatedly tried to explain this concept in easy to understand ways like now. But for some reason, I don't think you'll get it and conflate to "no they said 'together'" as if that's what the quote reads.
The rest of your post is filled with wildly exaggerated, red herring arguments, slippery slopes, and unwarranted assumptions that I wonder if we play the same game, TBH. I am in open world almost my entire active play time. Never been harrassed by someone killing me unless by warring guild -- most the harrassers are people who KS mobs in the rotation I've already been occupying.
Will the game change in the future? Time will tell. But until then, this is what we've got. BDO is a game that features both PvE and PvP elements, simultaneously, while playing in the open world as it's "main content". How you're not able to see that is beyond me.
Re-posting the quote here: "we didn't want Marni's Realm to end up overshadowing the main content of Black Desert, that is, fighting monsters in the open world alongside other Adventurers."
"It says they want people to fight monster together not fight each other."
It says they want people "fighting monsters alongside others". I do not see the word "together" anywhere in the dev quote, care to copy paste where they said "fight monster together"? You are mistakenly equating the words "alongside" with "in-cooperation with", it seems.
You really do just argue to argue an start drama don't you. Plz at-least tell me your trolling right? I don't even know how to reply to your stupidity it actually pointless, you have to be trolling right? No one is this much in denial an narcissistic right?