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Why you shouldn't give this game another cent.
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# 11

^ 100m /hr is very outdated. If you really put effort into it you can get anywhere between 700mil - 1.3bn /hour (maybe more actually). You won't be able to do this right away but eventually once you get far enough in the game it's doable with TET gear be it lifeskill or combat. BUT even if you make 1billion an hour, you still have to get around 300bn to get a full set of PEN. That's 300 hours of playing like a robot. Not exactly fun but if you do it passively over a year or two, it can be done. Once you do get it you have BiS and don't need to upgrade anymore but in other MMOs you're constantly trying to get BiS because there's always something stronger at every major patch update.

Maybe one day there will be a need to have BiS outside of PvP but until then people shouldn't stress too hard about getting each and every BiS equipment. Content isn't gated behind it.

Last Edit : Jul 19, 2022, 18:00 (UTC)
# 12
On: Jul 19, 2022, 13:13 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

Here's the thing..You cant grind enough silver to get that in your playing career.

So you are forced to gamble to progress. Without P2W, you will regress.

Here's the real thing... You're not supposed to reach full hardcap anyway, not with a low playtime. A heavy grinder can, though.

So you're not forced to gamble. You can, but you're not forced. And you're not forced to regress either, with or without P2W, just play safe. 

On: Jul 19, 2022, 17:14 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

What false informations? This game is designed to prevent you from getting the best items. I wrote it many times and repeat it again: I can fail pen even a hundred times in a row as long as I still have tet.

However, when we fall into tri, we are at never-ending struggle to return to tet. Black star tri to tet with 100 FS has only 6% chance.

So you fail again, again and again. And finally you have pri, duo, or tri i.e. less than at the start.

So what's the point in such an enchantment that takes us back in progress?

I know people who have been playing since BDO premiere and they got their first pens .... from Jetina.

Or a better example: I wanted to get Manos Cook's Clothes tri, yes just tri. I enchanted from 0 up to duo. And for tri. What do I have now? Duo. One try for tri and return to duo cost me more (memory fragmens and shards price) than tri price at market. Where is the point in that?

It is also not possible to buy these pens from other players. I bought all mine black star tets and tungrads tets. Why? Because their prices are realistic. While the total price of 3 pen black star and 6 pen tungrades (which are not even an bis any more) is unattainable especially if the game forces you to play in 100m per hour zones because someone invented treasures only from specific mobs in specific zones. And let's not forget about open pvp which makes it even more difficult and even impossible to earn meaningful money.

Which false informations? That you can't progress without P2W, and that you can't grind the money to buy them.

Those are WRONG. Just play the game, and stop being lazy. Making money had never been easier in BDO.

On: Jul 19, 2022, 14:51 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

Predatory is a bullshit term used to describe RNG and I'm not afraid to say it. If you can't control yourself, learn to meditate and work on your discipline. It's not Pearl Abyss problem, it's whales who are addicted to the game that are the problem but at least their problem benefits us as a whole lol. Maybe someone will claim I'm victim blaming but I say the real victim is Pearl Abyss to be treated like some type of evil boogeyman predator.

The RNG is trash, it takes maybe 15 attempts to go from TET to PEN unless you one-tap but crons are free, your taps are free, if you feel compelled to buy costumes to melt them then maybe you have a problem. Again, you can buy the crons in-game and the costumes in-game. No real money used on your end.

Excessive RNG doesn't belong in a game, that much I can agree with but some people really like it. The fact that they did a Bugatti event shows you how rich some whales are and to some extent, how out of touch they are with their fanbase. Now, if you want to argue on why you shouldn't spend another dime on the game, I will agree that they hardly release new content and don't even bother fixing long-lasting issues with the game. But "predatory" is BS and it's nowhere near Diablo immortal. $700 worth of crons (at most but unlikely to ever get that high) versus $24000 for a single item in Diablo. There's a big difference. I'm not defending $700 being cheap but stating that it's nowhere near as stupidly low RNG. I think Diablo requires like 6 of said items or whatever it was. There's a diablo RNG simulator online somewhere, it's crazy.

Link to Diablo RNG simulator: https://dimi777.github.io/diablo-rift-simulator/

Also I PEN tapped two different gear items using only J's hammer and I accidentally wasted so many of those hammers by forgetting to use them. 10k crons I think is 20bn silver. They also give away at least 10k crons per year. It's also unnecessary to get PEN on everything since the content for said requirement doesn't exist.

And this one is denying the very existence of addictions, gambling addictions at that. Be serious, at least a little. 

No buddy, they exist, that's why you find many usual strategies from casinos in BDO (and many other games). Their goal is to bypass any logical reasoning, that's why they're predatory, even some educated people can fall victim to it. That's a plague, a recognized one in addition, that's why people can get blacklisted from casinos in many countries.

So no, it is not something you can resist with self-control if you get caught by it. Governments and studies disprove you. 

Last Edit : Jul 19, 2022, 19:41 (UTC)
# 13
On: Jul 19, 2022, 18:00 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

Here's the real thing... You're not supposed to reach full hardcap anyway, not with a low playtime. A heavy grinder can, though.

So you're not forced to gamble. You can, but you're not forced. And you're not forced to regress either, with or without P2W, just play safe. 

Which false informations? That you can't progress without P2W, and that you can't grind the money to buy them.

Those are WRONG. Just play the game, and stop being lazy. Making money had never been easier in BDO.

And this one is denying the very existence of addictions, gambling addictions at that. Be serious, at least a little. 

No buddy, they exist, that's why you find many usual strategies from casinos in BDO (and many other games). Their goal is to bypass any logical reasoning, that's why they're predatory, even some educated people can fall victim to it. That's a plague, a recognized one in addition, that's why people can get blacklisted from casinos in many countries.

So no, it is not something you can resist with self-control if you get caught by it. Governments and studies disprove you. 


BS. The lack of self control is exactly what addiction is. That's why people have addiction to coffee, drugs, gambling etc... If you can't control yourself, then you should learn self-discipline until you can say no. I never said smart people don't get addicted to things, there are a lot of smart people who have terrible attentionspans. I never said addiction doesn't exist, I said addiction is a mental state that can be overcome through discipline. As far as "government studies" they can shove it up their butt because we both know what they've been doing to people for decades. It's never for the people and these studies are almost always altered to benefit themselves. I'll leave it at that since it has nothing to do with this thread but there is nothing predatory about RNG unless you think people aren't responsible enough to make their own, adult decisions and deal with the concequences of their own actions.

Last Edit : Jul 19, 2022, 19:44 (UTC)
# 14
On: Jul 19, 2022, 06:05 (UTC), Written by Javelin

The enhancement mechanic in this game is as predatory as diablo immortal, I know you all know it is. It's a great monetization system from a business perspective. Hook your players on gambling mechanics, introduce real world currency to cushion that experience highly incentivizing spending cash and then destroy thousands of hours of work through failed enhancements in seconds lol. I haven't played in a couple years, logged in for lolz threw 18 tets at what started at a 192 stack, every single one failed, lol. It was a great reminder of why I quit to begin with. Even if something had succeeded I wouldn't of begun playing again. (I have 3 pens, so I have seen success before but the time sync is just not worth it anymore imo).

Whats funny to me, is that if you take away the desire to upgrade your gear the game kinda sucks at it's core. The most fun is small scale pvp and its in short supply, it isn't supported through the game mechanics itself (red battlefield is just a cluster F). Sieges are a joke due to desync and lag and the AI literally stand there doing nothing, they may as well be training dummies.

It's a very pretty mmo with a nice feeling combat controller and a horribly predatory and immoral monetization system. The developers of this game should feel ashamed. When this starts becoming the norm (IE Diablo Immortal) well it's a sad time for games as the days of just creating a genuinely fun game that monetizes through cosmetics only may be coming to an end for good.

Good luck to everyone who still enjoys this tire fire, don't expect it to change though. Quit now, save your money, play something else, give V Rising a try or something.

Peace.

Sorry, this game gets my money. I don't have a gambling addiction, and I don't enhance unless I have to and that too with free stuff they give out and I buy most of my stuff from the market or Jetina it, I am not in a hurry. Good luck with V rising I guess

Last Edit : Jul 19, 2022, 21:49 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jul 19, 2022, 06:05 (UTC), Written by Javelin

The enhancement mechanic in this game is as predatory as diablo immortal, I know you all know it is. It's a great monetization system from a business perspective. Hook your players on gambling mechanics, introduce real world currency to cushion that experience highly incentivizing spending cash and then destroy thousands of hours of work through failed enhancements in seconds lol. I haven't played in a couple years, logged in for lolz threw 18 tets at what started at a 192 stack, every single one failed, lol. It was a great reminder of why I quit to begin with. Even if something had succeeded I wouldn't of begun playing again. (I have 3 pens, so I have seen success before but the time sync is just not worth it anymore imo).

Whats funny to me, is that if you take away the desire to upgrade your gear the game kinda sucks at it's core. The most fun is small scale pvp and its in short supply, it isn't supported through the game mechanics itself (red battlefield is just a cluster F). Sieges are a joke due to desync and lag and the AI literally stand there doing nothing, they may as well be training dummies.

It's a very pretty mmo with a nice feeling combat controller and a horribly predatory and immoral monetization system. The developers of this game should feel ashamed. When this starts becoming the norm (IE Diablo Immortal) well it's a sad time for games as the days of just creating a genuinely fun game that monetizes through cosmetics only may be coming to an end for good.

Good luck to everyone who still enjoys this tire fire, don't expect it to change though. Quit now, save your money, play something else, give V Rising a try or something.

Peace.

When I first started this game I was throwing money at it left and right for artisans on me and my two son's accounts just to hit IV armor and weapons and III accessories ( to be competitive in PvP). Five years  and about $16,000-17,000 later I thought about how this game will reel you in not at once but piece by piece. While I am well off and not missing that money I do look at the vehicles, bills, and retirement fund it could have went towards rather than a small chance at getting a fixed rate virtual item level that means nothing.

BDO I learned is better played as a once in awhile game or having 18 hour sessions to work towards serious gamer goals. There is no in between with it. On a note this fame is about 200 times easier now than when I first started playing so a person shouldn't have to spend as much as I did to hit "V" gear.

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Last Edit : Jul 20, 2022, 00:16 (UTC)
# 16
On: Jul 19, 2022, 06:05 (UTC), Written by Javelin

The enhancement mechanic in this game is as predatory as diablo immortal, I know you all know it is. It's a great monetization system from a business perspective. Hook your players on gambling mechanics, introduce real world currency to cushion that experience highly incentivizing spending cash and then destroy thousands of hours of work through failed enhancements in seconds lol. I haven't played in a couple years, logged in for lolz threw 18 tets at what started at a 192 stack, every single one failed, lol. It was a great reminder of why I quit to begin with. Even if something had succeeded I wouldn't of begun playing again. (I have 3 pens, so I have seen success before but the time sync is just not worth it anymore imo).

Whats funny to me, is that if you take away the desire to upgrade your gear the game kinda sucks at it's core. The most fun is small scale pvp and its in short supply, it isn't supported through the game mechanics itself (red battlefield is just a cluster F). Sieges are a joke due to desync and lag and the AI literally stand there doing nothing, they may as well be training dummies.

It's a very pretty mmo with a nice feeling combat controller and a horribly predatory and immoral monetization system. The developers of this game should feel ashamed. When this starts becoming the norm (IE Diablo Immortal) well it's a sad time for games as the days of just creating a genuinely fun game that monetizes through cosmetics only may be coming to an end for good.

Good luck to everyone who still enjoys this tire fire, don't expect it to change though. Quit now, save your money, play something else, give V Rising a try or something.

Peace.

i play it to dress my waifu ^_^

it is the best waifu simulator on the market 

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Last Edit : Jul 20, 2022, 07:49 (UTC)
# 18
On: Jul 19, 2022, 17:14 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

What false informations? This game is designed to prevent you from getting the best items. I wrote it many times and repeat it again: I can fail pen even a hundred times in a row as long as I still have tet.

However, when we fall into tri, we are at never-ending struggle to return to tet. Black star tri to tet with 100 FS has only 6% chance.

So you fail again, again and again. And finally you have pri, duo, or tri i.e. less than at the start.

So what's the point in such an enchantment that takes us back in progress?

I know people who have been playing since BDO premiere and they got their first pens .... from Jetina.

Or a better example: I wanted to get Manos Cook's Clothes tri, yes just tri. I enchanted from 0 up to duo. And for tri. What do I have now? Duo. One try for tri and return to duo cost me more (memory fragmens and shards price) than tri price at market. Where is the point in that?

It is also not possible to buy these pens from other players. I bought all mine black star tets and tungrads tets. Why? Because their prices are realistic. While the total price of 3 pen black star and 6 pen tungrades (which are not even an bis any more) is unattainable especially if the game forces you to play in 100m per hour zones because someone invented treasures only from specific mobs in specific zones. And let's not forget about open pvp which makes it even more difficult and even impossible to earn meaningful money.

Ahh you realy failing to understand the game. First, your biggest mistakes are two. First - you basicaly dont play the game. You think if you log in and kill one mob you must have BIS item. Two - you give up on first fail. This is not BDO, you have to put some work in it. It is hard and sometimes is frustrating a lot. But if you play the game you will notice its reapeat cirlcle. For example my first PEN come after 108 fails. Yes , 108. After that I had all armors to PEN and two set of weapons to PEN(One taped nover). Now im in hole again with Lebreska, but in betwin I bought PEN BlackStar. So you see its posible. I had 19 bilions,when I bought it now I have 28 and spendings around 3 billions for crones and memories. And Im a casual player with one hour play per a day and almost zero luck. I just grind mobs, do RBF/NW and some enchancing.

So you see, the problem is not in the game but in you. You just want it easy, but BDO is not that type of game. So eather accept it and play the game, or atleast stop bothering us with your nonesence.

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2022, 06:56 (UTC)
# 19
On: Jul 20, 2022, 06:43 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone

Ahh you realy failing to understand the game. First, your biggest mistakes are two. First - you basicaly dont play the game. You think if you log in and kill one mobe you must have BIS item. Two - you give up on first fail. This is not BDO, you have to put some work in it. It is hard and sometimes is frustrating a lot. But if you play the game you will notice its reapeat cirlcle. For example my first PEN come after 1008 fails. Yes , 108. After that I had all armors to PEN and two set of weapons to PEN. Now im hole again with Lebreska, but in betwin. I bought PEN BlackStar. So you see its posible. I had 19 bilions, no I have 28 and spendings around 3 billions for crones and memories. And Im a casual player with one hour play per a day and almost zero luck. I just grind mobs, do RBF/NW and some enchancing.

So you see, the problem is not in the game but in you. You just want it easy, but BDO is not that type of game. So eather accept it and play the game, or atleast stop bothering us with your nonesence.

Yep, well said.

Last Edit : Jul 20, 2022, 07:49 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jul 20, 2022, 06:43 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone

Ahh you realy failing to understand the game. First, your biggest mistakes are two. First - you basicaly dont play the game. You think if you log in and kill one mobe you must have BIS item. Two - you give up on first fail. This is not BDO, you have to put some work in it. It is hard and sometimes is frustrating a lot. But if you play the game you will notice its reapeat cirlcle. For example my first PEN come after 1008 fails. Yes , 108. After that I had all armors to PEN and two set of weapons to PEN. Now im hole again with Lebreska, but in betwin. I bought PEN BlackStar. So you see its posible. I had 19 bilions, no I have 28 and spendings around 3 billions for crones and memories. And Im a casual player with one hour play per a day and almost zero luck. I just grind mobs, do RBF/NW and some enchancing.

So you see, the problem is not in the game but in you. You just want it easy, but BDO is not that type of game. So eather accept it and play the game, or atleast stop bothering us with your nonesence.

It's not worth it to enchance PEN boss nowdays(unless if u failstack), but technically your chance to get 108 fails in a row on proper stack is less than 0.4-0.1% which is pretty unlucky.

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