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#Shai
Just Another Talk: Shai Nerf
Aug 15, 2022, 06:30 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Aug 21, 2022, 15:48 (UTC)
# 21

Not overly worried about AoS myself as it is aimed at small scale and pvp classes, not all content is for all players, so I’m happy for them :)

(shai may shine is it was 5-8 player teams, never going to happen)

 

But what does tick me off? RBF!

mid scale and it counts kills only and not match win. RBF is a team match where shai can play a valuable part, before she was added, kill counter where okay i guess, now if you do rbf as a shai in DP, you are not rewarded in anyway, and all it takes is a record of team you where on that won the match  (will staff pass this on faithful, I really doubt it, will PA care, 100% no)

 

…PA drops the ball and there is not count for team win in a team based match (like AoS). All the RBF updates and they never got around to adding the most basics thing .. Sometimes PA are a joke, hard not to get frustrated.

Last Edit : Aug 21, 2022, 18:58 (UTC)
# 22

Hello,

Well I hate to be the bearer of Bad news to you all but nothing will be done about this they are esentially taking back the 20% damage they gave us with the reworks. Also from what ive seen Korean developers have a sense of pride in there decisions and will not go back on choices that they have made unless they are very agregious, and since the design of Shai has kinda been half done when compared to most other classes in the game under the guise of being "A Unique Play Style". If anything I really just kinda wish theyd double down on it and make her have crazy lifeskill buffs and just take away all combat skills alltogether that dont hit Lifeskill based mobs at least this way there is a direction for the class. Rather then being The buff class with maybe one unquie buff that some other class fills or the healing class that gets out healed by any other class with a heal. They cant even give us all three level three buff in the Talent tree.
At the end of the Day we are designed to fail, a meme, an RP fantasy, a nuisance.

Our buff spells are great but barely useable in a fight which to there credit they gave it a weak try at fixing.

Our Heals are on long cooldowns and cant really be used in a fight, plus the amount heald is laughable compared to damage in the game

Our damage in Pvp is Laughable to the point where versus some classes we cant even do damage to them at 315 ap

Our lack of protection on movement and abilities that link togeter makes us an easy target.

Our lack of CC and CC extenders makes us pretty useless if anything we ruin peoples CC chains

We are still the only clas in the game that cant tag or caphras our "Awakening Weapon" which is why they gave us the damage to begin with since we are losing out on ap and accuracy from that. 

At the end of the Day it not that they cant fix the class its that they are not going to spend the development time to do so other then minor Tweaks to Numbers the reworks are done. Most of the Fixes and Changes are easy enough to do just dont expect anything to happen cause with how easy it is to see what needs to be done by everyone the fact that it hasnt changed speaks volumes to what they care about withthe class....

A good start would be to make us take less damage from everyone in pvp since we do less and are the Support class basically Guantlet levels lower for both melee and magic. good excuse for that we are a magical race and are small and hard to hit.. Next give us at least one % based heal. Next give us protected movement that chains together with abilities and a protected heal. Finally unlock our buffs in the talent tree and make the Art sol a proper awakening weapon caphras gives damage and maybe evry 5 levels a % of buff/debuff. these would be a good start to make the class useable in pvp. Pve is a whole other story thats mainly issues with aoe size and mobility

Last Edit : Aug 21, 2022, 20:36 (UTC)
# 23

I know you're right, and I also dont believe any of NA/EU's feedback either reaches the devs or matters

but ehhh

Id still rather yell at clouds than just accept the position Shai are in 

Last Edit : Aug 21, 2022, 21:00 (UTC)
# 24
On: Aug 21, 2022, 20:35 (UTC), Written by Brassica

I know you're right, and I also dont believe any of NA/EU's feedback either reaches the devs or matters

but ehhh

Id still rather yell at clouds than just accept the position Shai are in 

+ agree + make a stink, cost nothing.. and we never have to stop :P free entertanment i guess

Last Edit : Aug 21, 2022, 21:39 (UTC)
# 25

they made shai lifeskill class want them to buff shai for all lifeskills make it the ultimate life skill class

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Last Edit : Aug 22, 2022, 16:09 (UTC)
# 26
On: Aug 21, 2022, 21:39 (UTC), Written by BDOQueloque

they made shai lifeskill class want them to buff shai for all lifeskills make it the ultimate life skill class

Quit saying that. That's a lie and they never, ever said they would do this. They would be stupid if they did. They nerfed Shai because they thought she needed to heal more than add damage. She will eventually be adjusted for better or for worse. Hopefully our voices will be heard and she will become a better combat class. Right now she excels in utility but she's slow, clunky, and unable to handle grabs or anything with a strong punch. Shai is at the bottom of the food chain. She needs to be buffed significantly in so many areas as a rightful combat class. She will never be a "ultimate" lifeskill class no matter how many times you incorrectly repeat it.

Last Edit : Aug 22, 2022, 17:42 (UTC)
# 27
On: Aug 21, 2022, 21:39 (UTC), Written by BDOQueloque

they made shai lifeskill class want them to buff shai for all lifeskills make it the ultimate life skill class

That's a bad idea. It will be unfair if other players have already invested their lifeskills on other classes besides Shai and maybe it could make the community upset if they end up buying those certain Lifeskills EXP Transfer Coupons. What Shai class needs is more skill protections, mobility skill that could help fight through low and mid tier grind spots pack to pack and so on. 

Last Edit : Aug 22, 2022, 18:20 (UTC)
# 28

^ what they said. I dont object to Shai becoming a better life skiller, but there was no prompt when making my character letting me know that my class is excluded from 2/3 of the game content.

Oluns is our only group PvE content that isnt trash, and we just had an entire expansion and calpheon elvia with no new group content so PA cannot tell us that crippling our solo PvE is justified because of "our support role"

*also, sorry I mostly only talk about PvE bc I dont know PvP well enough to comment. I have always just avoided it because Shai.

I do know that we need serious reworks and an actual design vision for end game pvp.. so Im at least ahead of the devs on that

Last Edit : Aug 23, 2022, 04:19 (UTC)
# 29

I made this post prior to the AoS and with no knowledge of the class based rankings. However, it appears that my first paragraph now has hard data to back it up. I appreciate the community for providing that info, but I'm devastated to discover the certainty that it instills. At least before there was data we had hope, that all the Shais who spoke about their high rankings were somehow justified. Now I realize that we are all just fumbling around from match to match hoping and praying to catch a good climb. This class has no ability to contribute to fights which is why Shai is the least capable class to win matches, yet she is designed to provide her team with every opportunity to lose. 

Last Edit : Aug 24, 2022, 00:36 (UTC)
# 30

Not that PA cares what I think, but I'd like to add my disappointment with them here as well.

Shai rework is what brought me back to the game, made me spend money on the game because I had a character I felt good and comfortable playing. All that time investing in her, and now what? I'm not allowed to solo grind with her because she isn't played the way PA intended her to be played? Why does that matter? I'M the player, I should get to play any character the way I see fit, because I'm spending the money on your stupid game. 

You give Drak, one of the most broken characters right now, a small slap on the wrist for being too strong, but somehow Shai deserves to be punished more? What sense is there in that? You give succ Guardian MORE PvE buffs when they're already one of the top solo grinders, and gut Shai when she can barely do any solo grind, let alone fight to defend the spot?

If something isn't done to remedy this, I will not be playing much longer. I will find a better game someday, it may take time before a new game comes out that I enjoy but I certainly won't support PA.

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