The greatest issue is: Playing Awa...

Besides it's really ture, the ridicolous too long cooldown times- which are the longest of all classes which existing compared in damage and effectiveness balance, it's simply a fact, if I use awa, I get my a*s beaten in every second since the animatiuons are way too long, also you are 100% unprotected- except if you got this one chosen add on which you also need another ridicolous huge amount of 40 skillpoints to have forward block or else, can't even stop the attack animation, or if you can, it's getting into cooldown and it's useless after...
Some skills had been even changed, like Sah Chakram.
It was a pretty good skill at the very beginning- not because of pretty huge dmg, but it stuned the enemy, hat forward block and got stamina back. Now totally useless because now it's using stamina instead, for that you can get back wp, but ONLY if it's not in cooldown... and too long animation while beingm completely unprotected...

The only way is really to play the succ, and only the succession! Even after those buffs which happened (06.04), it's still the thing you are completely attackable for a too long time. 
But if using the succ, besides still far too long cooldown, some skills becoming even faster, much more mobile, even being able skip range and more easy to do back attacks (like especially flach slachj where you can moce into the direction you want before attacking and poring though the enemy to deal back attack), a bit large AOE. And firing those wrath of wheel while having those 3 skill sighns active, is even dealing nearly the dmg of the awa 100% rage skill. Btw. rage skill dmg will increase with succ and you even can move 3 times into a different direktion, too! Even the usual mouseklick combo is dealing compared to many other classes (except Ninja...) pretty high. I bet even the most dmg of all other classes. Though I dunno if that's something to be proud of. Probably a comparsim because half the skills are in hibernation cooldown...
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Conclusion: The class PA actually Never wanted to exist!

Now let's keep it real.
Do you really like this totally oversized weird hola hopp wheel anyway??

Counting for me, I was playing BDO since 1st day, as the awa still wasn't existing. (Even Kuno and Ninja wasn't exiting At first). And one out of 3 reasons why I was even choosing the Kuno over the Ninja because I heard rumors about the awakenings.

Ninja: Katana. Somehow nothing special, 6 flying Katana was sounding especially weird.
But Chakram, well there was really a kind of Chakram existing in ancient japan, not only those fantasy chakram of the elve world. It was so said a former Shuriken.
But I was really harsh dissapointed as the Chakram finally got released just as it was...
Would have been nice if they had made it like in Metin 2, dual whilding proper size of chakram.

I especially like martial arts classes, so Striker/Mystique, Meahwa or Lahn, too. Just they got released way later so I had too much progress already besides especially everything which inherits Ninjutsu and Ninjastyle, this is really my top number one. The mainhand still contained it, but for the chakram style it was more looking like streetbrawling on most skills (the most ridicolous and lame looking skill is spin spree. The 200% rage skill even worse), while even the Katana still looks pretty cool and Ninja like sadly- let alone because it's simply too illogical huge, and becoming some kind of space physics weapon. Or can you explain why the chakram would move like this on skills like lunatic discuss or Sah Chakram?
So I totally made the wrong choice after all in the end... Succ did fix it. Now hoping we get more skills for Succ for a change. (thouhg I still have to say again, succ skills on Ninja are looking more stylish, too....)

The only good thing about Kuno succ is it faster animations, movement, and damage. Three things kuno awakening completely lacks. Example I can kill a 350 DP witch with 285 AP succ kuno easily with half a combo, but 285 AP awakening kuno I can't even bring him down to 25% HP with a full combo. But succ just lacks any form of protection in every way shape and form. The second you use tendon cutter and it fails to CC your target you may as well just GTFO cause at that point all your protected CCs are used up and you have no protected damage to SA trade or iframes to dodge their damage. Than with her skills having 15-30s CDs on core skills like shadow clone, shadow explosion, block jump, ankle cutter, and dance macbare you really have to admire all the low CD SA, protected damage, and protected CC skills ninja gets. Skills like prime shuriken malice FG stiffen on 7s CD, ninja steps Iframe movement on 6s CD, prime shadow slash SA on 3s CD, prime shuriken flight SA float on a 7s CD, prime blade spin god tier protected damage skill, Dark Frenzy 3s FG.

I mean really were succ kuno's protected damage and other protected CCs plus Iframes? Fatel blow unprotected, foxclaw unprotected, flash slash protected but dogshit damage if your not using the 100% form of it, wheel of wraith unprotected, dance macbare basically just a shitty version of ninja steps with double the CD of ninja steps, shadow explosion unprotected, cresent slash unprotected, shadow stomp unprotected. Literally Kuno succ has 3 reliable SAs she can use to in a skirmish senerio, tendon cutter which is her best skill, flash slash which is kinda of dogshit cause how slow it is and how it puts out basically zero damage, and shadow clone which is also dogshit cause it on a long CD and does no damage.

It very clear from kuno's and ninja's kits both awakening and succ that they designed ninja's kits first than went "Oh shit wait what do we give kuno?" An their answer copy and paste half of ninja's kit strip away half of the damage, half the protection, and half of the movement and call it kuno the very clear shitty gimped version of ninja.

So play Succ. Awk Kuno was designed for the old awakening meta, and in the sweeping nerfs every awakening kit got, she never got fixes that brought her up to modern standards. She's a class left in the dust. Awakening Ninja's overall kit isn't any better, but he still has Serpent and Core Serpent/Core Shower, which can really hide its ugly flaws.

After reading all that, it sounds like you just want all your main skills to be protected. Are we trying to create another succ wiz or trying to actually be level headed and get a balanced buff? It certainly doesn't sound like the latter to me.

No, Kuno was developed and released first in KR, then Ninja came after. Ninja got awakening first, then Kuno's came a month after, and their succession kits were developed/released simultaneously. Before awakening, Ninja was better all around. After awakening and until rebams/absolutes, Kuno was a lot better in group fights and slightly worse as a duelist. After rabams/absolutes, they were really about even in all regards because Ninja got a lot of mileage out of Restraint, Oni Shadow, and Absolutes to bridge the cap in group fights. Absolute Tendon Cutter and Sinew Cut did some work to help Kuno 1v1.

As for succ... Succ Ninja and Kuno were straight busted on release, and are a lot more balanced now with all the nerfs in place now. I still think Succ Kuno is Succ Ninja for dummies. She might be a lot less strong, (is she, though? I hear people complain, but I don't experience the same issues. I think KR has more succ Kuno attendance in gvgs and NW, too?) but she's a lot easier to play because of how stupidly strong Prime Tendon Cutter is, she has a higher dps threshold thanks to Prime Shadow Stomp and Wheel of Wrath, and she gets s-block, which is utterly cheesy when combined with backwards Ghost Step. 

This is all I read of your post. After reading your old post it clear you know nothing about either ninja or kuno kits. And after reading your old post it clear your just arguing to argue because your a angry salty individual.

With that said kuno dead class living in ninja's shadow since 2016. Kuno buffs when? Oh right kuno buffs never. 100% useless dead class that PA could delete out of the game and no one not even the ones still playing kuno would ever miss or know existed. Just another sad fact about BDO.

Bruh, you can't say I don't know anything about Ninja's kit when you don't even play Ninja. But yes. Keep telling everybody you rerolled Ninja when there's not a single Ninja on your account. Christ. Anyway, thank you for clarifying that you don't read. Here's a little tip: Maybe reading would help you learn how to play Kuno.

This is all I read of your post. After reading your old post it clear you know nothing about either ninja or kuno kits. And after reading your old post it clear your just arguing to argue because your a angry salty individual.

With that said kuno dead class living in ninja's shadow since 2016. Kuno buffs when? Oh right kuno buffs never. 100% useless dead class that PA could delete out of the game and no one not even the ones still playing kuno would ever miss or know existed. Just another sad fact about BDO.

Vulpin is mostly expressing my thoughts. Kuno has never been considered better than ninja since release. Even pre-awakening, ninja had more iframes and kuno had a bad block that got you killed so ninja was better. Then awakening came and ninja had big damage skills so could get kills then get out with the iframes. Meanwhile kuno had really slow kit that roots you to the spot when you use skills. It is only a little better today with several skills that still root you for 1 second or more with no protection, meaning you can get cc'd easily. Awakened kit also has terrible damage and the recent buffs in pve did almost nothing <5% change because they just buffed horribly bad skills to be bad.

Succ kuno at least has some damage, and can 1vs1 well because protections aren't as required. However, outside of 1vs1 it is also bad. Basically, run in do your 3 protected skills, run out, wait 30 seconds and try again. In pve, the damage is okay, but cds are so long it's impossible to be anything above a B or C tier pve class (while others are A, S or SS). This is largely just cooldowns being long.

Also, not sure why there are a bunch of ninjas in here, who have repeatedly shown their lack of knowledge on kunoichi by mistating the abilities of skills, trying to pump up kuno as being as good as ninja. It is worse, discord communities agree, in game communities agree, pve there is video backed evidence. This isn't to say ninja is op, just that kuno is worse than ninja.

In short, buff kuno awakened damage, make skills not root you in place. Lower succession kuno cooldowns and rabams cds. Please and thank you.

Nope. Pre-awakening era - Ninja was better, but not by much. Awakening era, before rabams and absolutes - Kuno was significantly better. From rabam era until rebalance era, they were roughly equal. Post-rebalance era to succ era, Ninja is better. Succ era, Ninja is significantly better in pve, and slightly better in pvp (when comparing succ.)

To clarify: In the Awakening era, sans rabams and absolutes, Kuno was the defacto better pvp class. She worked better at locking down multiple targets and keeping them pinned. There's a reason why Kuno was the first shortsword class allowed into siege guilds like ManUp, then they slowly started accepting Ninjas and Tamers afterward. Ninja didn't have the big damage it has now. That came with ap brackets and pvp rebalance. It was primarily a combo class back then that had to use double grab combos to kill most people. Sometimes even stun-stiff-stun-grab-grab/stiff-stun-stiff-grab-grab combos were used because our damage was that bad. You weren't dropping a lot of damage on someone unless you had 100% bsr, or they were off to the side by themselves so you could combo them down.

I actually agree about animation locks. Things like Chain Crash or Lunatic Discus shouldn't lock you in place. They worked in the old era because they were protected ccs with a large cc. Now they're just slow and unprotected skills that will get you cc'd. I'm shocked her awakening feature wasn't to throw the chakram for aoe attack capabilities while allowing her to weave it together with shortsword skills for a unique fusion of skills from both stances at the same time, but I doubt their skill engine could handle something so complex.

I don't think buffing her damage will do much for her, seeing as she still runs into the issue where she has longer cds and longer periods of lockdown in awakening. Well, unless you go nuts and just make it so her spin just kills everybody, but that'll just land you another nerf and we'll be right back here.