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[Music] List of suggestions for future music system updates
Oct 22, 2022, 16:05 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Dec 3, 2022, 12:06 (UTC)
# 1
Family Name: Navien
Region (NA/EU): EU
Suggestion/Comments: 
 
Hello there!
As a music content enjoyer i'd love to sugest some changes to the current music album on behalf of me and members of music community.
 
Please implement the ability to sort songs we have in it:
1. Allow switching alphabetical order both by title and composer.
2. By amount of instruments required to play songs.
3. By amount of plays we did aka. sort by "fav ones".
4. Song duration.
 
Please let us add tags to songs. Bookmarking option.
Allow us to group songs into categories for example by genres/general theme/composer. It would make playing thematic concerts easier!
 
Please consider changing UI of the album.
Make it more user friendly. More clear and tidy.
 
Simplify process of creating an ensamble.
Consider option of overhauling whole ensamble process. I know lot of new people into playing in bands are having troubles with interface. Please simplify it if possible and make more "user friendly". Possibly add some tutorial in-game for new people!
 
Please expand the limit of maximum band members.
Currently we have limit of 5 musicians. There is a lot of advanced multi-instrumental songs that easily exceed that limit. Please expand it to 10+ or more by letting us form "music platoon". You could provide this option for the music limited activities by disabling any potential benefits from being in such "platoon" like looting/exp etc.
This would encourage both composers and musicians to form larger bands and play more organized concerts/events.
 
Band search function.
Introduce system like current "search party/platoon option for music purposes. So we could post an "ad" that would be visible across all servers that we would like to play music together. It would allow easier connection between music community that may like to stay at their "home" servers and hop to another server to play music.
 
Add more instruments.
We are enjoying the current instruments we have and we are eagerly waiting for the new ones! Among others we would love to see Electric guitar, Saxofophone, Trumpet, Clarinet.
 
Please add higher grade of Music Mastery.
Current music mastery which is C limits amount of notes we have at our disposal to 1200. In practice we have to resign from specific instruments or split songs into parts.
Expand music mastery for another grade or 2.
 
Please add titles for playing/composing songs.
Lot of people put a lot of effort into creating outstanding songs. Spend a lot of time playing music for the community. Please consider rewarding the efforts with at least in-game titles.
 
Dyable Instruments
As name suggests please give us the possibility to dye our fav instruments to add some flare and personality.
 
Music themed outfits for Shais
Shai outfits revolve about idea that it's Life focused class. Add clothes that would expand musical side of Shais too. The more variety the better.
 
Thank you!
For your time and interest in reading it, and i'm waiting for more suggestions from the community below in comments.
 
PS.
Updates [as of 12 December 2022]:
Expand the limit of maximum band members.
Band search function.
Dyable Instruments
Music themed outfits for Shais
Last Edit : Oct 22, 2022, 17:26 (UTC)
# 2

You forgot to mention allowing songs with more than 5 musicians as long as they're part of a platoon. So many songs have 6 or more instruments and nobody to play them.

Last Edit : Oct 22, 2022, 17:39 (UTC)
# 3
On: Oct 22, 2022, 17:26 (UTC), Written by Dreadspark

You forgot to mention allowing songs with more than 5 musicians as long as they're part of a platoon. So many songs have 6 or more instruments and nobody to play them.

Noted! Thank you for the feedback.

Also updated with another idea which is band search function same as search party/platoon option to make easier to find band members across all servers.

Last Edit : Nov 28, 2022, 18:15 (UTC)
# 4

Maybe its outside the scope of this thread, but if there were an option to create a playlist of player songs using marni's radio- I might actually accept that quest from wacky toshi 😬

Last Edit : Nov 28, 2022, 21:07 (UTC)
# 5

I will agree that the one update of all of these I would want the most right now to be focused on would be music grade. Though i think the entire UI and system would have to be reworked because of the massive lag the current one causes with multiple instruments and high note count. 

So the UI changes first would probably be most benificial.

Last Edit : Nov 30, 2022, 17:02 (UTC)
# 6

If anyone on the team that deals with the music reads this, I believe that there is an easier way to impliment a change to Florchestra instruments without ruin every old song. 

Legacy instruments will allow everything to be played that is currently on the album, with the new ones having the change in velocity. Like I said on my post the update that came out on Nov 24 was not a bad one, it is something we've been asking for for a long time. But the way it was implimented broke all the older songs. I feel this would not require too much of a change considering all you would have to do is reskin what we currently have to a different color. 

Edit: For the idea of legacy instruments instead of having the velocity on piano change sample sounds at a threshold, make them like every other instrument where there is just a drop down for the sound.

I'm trying to think of the most effective way to update things with the least amount of work on your end that would effect the least amount of stuff on ours.

Last Edit : Nov 30, 2022, 18:00 (UTC)
# 7

Expanding on what Navien said about condensing the music UI to one page (especially for album songs) (see screenshot)

Add MAXIMIZE button for album window (see screenshot)

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Last Edit : Dec 1, 2022, 12:10 (UTC)
# 8
On: Nov 29, 2022, 02:59 (UTC), Written by Nurr

If anyone on the team that deals with the music reads this, I believe that there is an easier way to impliment a change to Florchestra instruments without ruin every old song. 

Legacy instruments will allow everything to be played that is currently on the album, with the new ones having the change in velocity. Like I said on my post the update that came out on Nov 24 was not a bad one, it is something we've been asking for for a long time. But the way it was implimented broke all the older songs. I feel this would not require too much of a change considering all you would have to do is reskin what we currently have to a different color. 

Edit: For the idea of legacy instruments instead of having the velocity on piano change sample sounds at a threshold, make them like every other instrument where there is just a drop down for the sound.

I'm trying to think of the most effective way to update things with the least amount of work on your end that would effect the least amount of stuff on ours.

Not practical in the long-term, assuming we can expect more changes to existing instruments.

Doing this for Beginner instruments was a logical solution, as they haven't been updated since Florchestra became available, and probably won't be in the future. It adds a sense of progression, as you grind out dailies to improve your music grade and complete each Florchestra instrument.

Implementing this to instruments under active development will simply result in countless variations, adding needless complexity to an already convoluted system.

Let us assume for a moment that they draw a line under Florchestra instruments and release Florchestra 2.0 with the updated velocity system. Six months later, they change mute to a technique instead of a velocity threshold. Do we get a new instrument to reflect this? It would certainly break existing songs, which meets your requirement for the creation of a legacy instrument. Does Florchestra 2.0 become a legacy instrument? What about the other instruments that were untouched by the change? 

If you think the music album is confusing now; add five pianos, six guitars, eight flutes, and three drums to it. Now your ensemble requires five musicians, Florchestra Piano 2.1, Florchestra Guitar 2.0, Marnibass 1.0, Florchestra Drums 2.2, etc. I'll pass, thanks.

Last Edit : Dec 1, 2022, 16:10 (UTC)
# 9

I know PA wants to keep everything in-game but allowing us to import single track from .mid would be great because the editor is so hard to use and time consuming for the most mundane things. I'll even gladly take being able to use a music sheet (in-game) instead of the visual music roll thing. It would be so easy to transpose music compared to what it's like right now.

Last Edit : Dec 2, 2022, 02:43 (UTC)
# 10
On: Dec 1, 2022, 12:10 (UTC), Written by Ekivvi

Let us assume for a moment that they draw a line under Florchestra instruments and release Florchestra 2.0 with the updated velocity system. Six months later, they change mute to a technique instead of a velocity threshold. Do we get a new instrument to reflect this? It would certainly break existing songs, which meets your requirement for the creation of a legacy instrument. Does Florchestra 2.0 become a legacy instrument? What about the other instruments that were untouched by the change? 

I can see where you are coming from but I have to disagree, as in not all instruments need it in the first place. As we saw with last weeks update (Nov 24th. 2022) that was reverted as of this week (Nov 30th. 2022), every instruments tweaks were fine for the most part, but it ruined everything on piano for people who made songs that relied on the current velocity threshold=different sample system.  

There are currently two instruments that have a huge leap in sounds when you change velocities past a certain threshold (these being 1-99,100-121, 121-127), and that is Guitar and Piano.

Every florchestra instrument has multiple options for their techniques with the drop down menu so there would be no need to massively change anything since there is nothing broken with it. Except piano and drums. 

Guitar, the current velocity thresholds change the sound of what string the note is played on which its ok for somethings, but most of the time it makes some notes sound too harsh or messy. 

Drums, they make sense where they are, and if they added more sounds to it, weither it be chinas, toms, or other pieces of a kit, they could currently do that without changing much of whats there, if anything. The velocity works wonderfully with the samples they currently have as in it's a smooth transition between soft hits and loud hits.

Piano, on the otherhand is the only other instrument that doesnt have any techniques, the one it does have is just a worse version of the base sustain. The velocity thresholds change the samples from muted (1-99) normal presses (100-120) and slamming the key (121-127). An improvement would be making the normal presses (1-99) that fluidly transition into slamming the keys (100-127), and then having a Mute pedal technique option.

A 2.0 version of the piano would just be a solution to a problem that shouldn't have been there in the first place while simultaneously saving all the songs people have made over the past year with the current system. There is no reason why out of all the instruments piano (and guitar, but that is much more workability) has such a huge difference in how it works with the sounds it uses. Having a Mute pedal technique should have been avalible from the start.

tl;dr - My suggestion is simply a way for some of instruments to come up to the standards of the rest, while simultaneously preserving the thousand of hours people spent on the current system.

On: Dec 1, 2022, 12:10 (UTC), Written by Ekivvi

If you think the music album is confusing now; add five pianos, six guitars, eight flutes, and three drums to it. Now your ensemble requires five musicians, Florchestra Piano 2.1, Florchestra Guitar 2.0, Marnibass 1.0, Florchestra Drums 2.2, etc. I'll pass, thanks.


I am failing to understand the point of this because it's not confusing and for the most part is pretty straight forward if you spend more than 30 seconds looking at it.

When you ensemble you only see the instruments that the composer used for the song, you wouldnt see every instrument you own, so it wouldn't change anything for that, and we are already only limited to 5 shais playing a song.

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