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#Warrior
Awakening Warrior Lacking in Large Scale.
Jan 12, 2023, 14:21 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 16:20 (UTC)
# 11

As Warrior main myself i do agree with most on the points made on these posts, please GM / PA do consider reading through these forums, Warrior is really not at a good place.

Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 17:56 (UTC)
# 12
Écrit le : 13 janv. 2023, 08:48 (UTC), par : Yber

@Anvorka:

To clarify: bounds are NOT knockdowns. Flow: Ankle break is a bound, Merciless 2nd hit is a bound, Frenzied Strikes is a bound. The bound on Gravedigging core is a regular bound.This type of CC is completely different from a knockdown, and inferior to it in every way.

Awakening classes can't have protected CCs in awakening skills. The only exception to this is Witch/Wizard. All other protected CC's come from pre awakening or succession classes.

The main problem with Charging Thrust isn't being CC'd from the back, this is normal for all forward guard skills. The problem is being hitstunned out of it, meaning skills without CC can stop the movement/knock you out of the skill as if they did.

The Head Chase iframe works while it's active, which is for around 75% of the skill's duration with no slows applied. It is inactive during the start of the dash and at the end of it. While I agree this needs to change, you should explain why.

I agree with merging Balance Strike and Flow: Hilt Strike, but this is not something that would improve our largescale.

Indeed, I'm sorry for the Bound.

I think Charging Thrust needs to be a full Super Armor skill, it will be more efficient than a Forward. We can get CC, bobdy block or even stun during the skill.

Head Chase should get a Super Armor at the beginning and the end of the skill. Or they can bring back Head Chase Q cancel. They removed it longtime ago without any real reason. Which had a huge impact. It would be also nice to buff the distance of the dash and his speed.

The merge of Balance Strike and Flow: Hilt Strike can be a different animation. It would be nice to have an AoE instead.

I also think we need a real skill to swap from Pre Awak to Awak without using Head Chase. Currently, we only have this. Valk can press Space and she comes back in awake directly after the grab.

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Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 18:35 (UTC)
# 13
On: Jan 13, 2023, 16:20 (UTC), Written by Bruggy

As Warrior main myself i do agree with most on the points made on these posts, please GM / PA do consider reading through these forums, Warrior is really not at a good place.

I don't know  if I would say that warrior is not in a good place, isn't he still perceived as one of the best 1v1 class? Yea sure maybe your large scale isn't as good but at least your not as Kuno where not only our large scale is Garbage but we are no longer even the top 1v1 as we wore before.

i would be happy if Kuno was the best 1v1 class or close as it was before and our large scale was bad.

Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 18:38 (UTC)
# 14

Yeah adding skill swaps from Longsword to Greatsword would be a HUGE QOL update. Like you said, Head Chase is our only one, and I've gotten used to it and C-Swapping, but after playing other classes that forcefully swap you via some attack skills, it just feels so much nicer and smoother to be able to just cast your attacking skills without needing to worry about remembering to Head Chase or C-Swap before.

There's been so many times where I either zone out, panic,  or mess up my combos and just stand there like a sitting duck because I'm trying to use a Greatsword skill with my Longsword and it does absolutely nothing.

Please Pearl Abyss, add more "usable within Longsword" updates to certain Awakening skills like Frenzied Strikes or Heavens Cleave via hotbar.

Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 18:52 (UTC)
# 15

Plenty of class don't survive well in medium-high scale. Node war is a not all about main ball. Flex team/Canon team are as important that the main ball.

I will take an Awake Warrior before a Lhan in flex in any giving time. Go where your class shine.

To ask for better viability in high scale is to ask for the butter and the money of the butter.

Last Edit : Jan 13, 2023, 22:00 (UTC)
# 16

Yes, cannon teams take Awakening Warriors. So do defence teams.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FplRdBe7m5I

We're munching.

Your unredacted, unargumentated, uneducated, irrelevant and ignorant post was noted. Thank you for your time, you may return to holding LMB+Space at centaurs.

Last Edit : Jan 14, 2023, 13:23 (UTC)
# 17
On: Jan 13, 2023, 18:35 (UTC), Written by AnimeSunShine

I don't know  if I would say that warrior is not in a good place, isn't he still perceived as one of the best 1v1 class? Yea sure maybe your large scale isn't as good but at least your not as Kuno where not only our large scale is Garbage but we are no longer even the top 1v1 as we wore before.

i would be happy if Kuno was the best 1v1 class or close as it was before and our large scale was bad.

 It might be great for duels tho thats its,  saying its viable in largescale would be a lie ( even pve is arguable).
Believe it or not, some ppl only play this game for actual nodewars and couldnt care less for duels. Some play purely for nodewars and do other content only to get more gear for it.
And i´d say any class should be able to enjoy any content without beign forced to play another class since ppl like me only want to play this 1 class and not reroll or tag some busted class they dont enjoy, just to be able to join. 

Yet Warrior is more and more unplayable the bigger the fight, anything past 5v5 is getting exponantionaly more painful and in propper largescale frustrating, unrewarding and almost unplayable. And my fellow warriors explained very well why. It doesnt need much to make us able to join, we providet a variety of things that would give us the needet help / buffs and even addet things to be removed / replaced in return with explanations as of why it would be needet or the repalced thing isnt needet.  But PA even with reboot just didnt adress it and hasnt ever since years ago. Instead we get either nothing, or things noone ever asks for and are useless, like our magnus skill beign our 6th unprotected float, something that has 0 use outside of duels and even there it isnt really great and comes with more cons then pros.
And to make it worse, we get salty ppl that got touched in a wrong way by a warrior and or are pure salty, trying to deny other classes needet buffs out of spite.
Unable to post valid opinions with explanations why they think that way.

Last Edit : Jan 14, 2023, 16:46 (UTC)
# 18

Instead Juli030, lemme ask this, what do you perceive awakening warrior's role to be in largescale...? What should he be doing, which he currently (apparently) cannot, which these buffs would enable him to?

Last Edit : Jan 15, 2023, 04:01 (UTC)
# 19
Écrit le : 14 janv. 2023, 16:46 (UTC), par : Helegnes

Instead Juli030, lemme ask this, what do you perceive awakening warrior's role to be in largescale...? What should he be doing, which he currently (apparently) cannot, which these buffs would enable him to?

Being useful. Valk is useful, Nova succ is useful, Guard succ is useful. Warrior is like the guy trying to do the same, even if he knows he can't.
The only think we want it's to enjoy mass PVP, NW or GVG. We are stuck in the 1 v 1 role since years and it's getting annoying.
Most of the Warriors in game already tagged another class for mass PVP, not because they like the tagged class, but because they are depressed of Warrior in this domain.

In my opinion, Warrior Succession or Awakening should be a bomber. The class already took a small path to become like this but PA didn't finish the work. Or maybe they still think we are frontlaner.

The role of the class should clearly be a bomber, running in the mass, being able to damage many players then die.

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Last Edit : Jan 15, 2023, 12:23 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jan 15, 2023, 04:01 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

Being useful. Valk is useful, Nova succ is useful, Guard succ is useful. Warrior is like the guy trying to do the same, even if he knows he can't.
The only think we want it's to enjoy mass PVP, NW or GVG. We are stuck in the 1 v 1 role since years and it's getting annoying.
Most of the Warriors in game already tagged another class for mass PVP, not because they like the tagged class, but because they are depressed of Warrior in this domain.

In my opinion, Warrior Succession or Awakening should be a bomber. The class already took a small path to become like this but PA didn't finish the work. Or maybe they still think we are frontlaner.

The role of the class should clearly be a bomber, running in the mass, being able to damage many players then die.

Except, you're an archetype tank? You've got a big shield, DP buffs, small AoEs, surprising mobility... and a grab.

Why should you have the means to bomb? A succ lahn should have the means to bomb, they dont have SA FG Q cancel shenanigans and a grab. A musa should bomb. A Succ DK should bomb.

The way most players see warrior is as backline peel support. You bring raid integrity through your shield, on top of good burst mobility and that grab with ignore res built in. Then you have enough damage to support the kill if not perform it solo.

You had that time of bombing with your 100%, but honestly I don't think your current kit deserves bomb damage.

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