Pretty much. Warior is not in a state that would need any buffs, not even close, especially given they got the best rework with the reboots, literately.

Since DP temporary buffs on warr no longer overlap, their survivability is crippled. Awa warr's q-block is easily "evaporated" too.

We got no dp buffs since the last nerfs, losing 30dr as our buffs dont stack anymore, not like those stacking buffs were big in largescale to beginn with, but now its worse because of that loss. Our shield is wet paper anywhere outside of duels and our mobility is either unprotected or FG. Q cancels are gone when block is gone too and Q cancels dont even work propperly in largescale
If we were supposed to be a tank, then we need way diffrent buffs, and alot of that

this post alone shows that you have absolutly 0 idea what you are talking about as you have 0 expirience in nodewars or maybe dont pvp atall and even if you do, got absolutly no clue whatsoever of our kit and abilities.  The fact you say we have a block, in largescale, that alone shows your ignorance and or missinformation
have a nice day

and i dont know what dreamworld oyu are living in. We wish we had gotten a actualy amazing reboot, but hey, we didnt :)

@CatDK

If you have nothing of substance to say and lack enough knowledge about the class, the problems it has and how to tackle them, and on top of that, are unable to offer any kind of argument or opinion about the points of discussion presented in this thread, I humbly suggest you keep your ignorance to yourself instead of showcasing it to the BDO community.

I know you lose DFS to warrior all the time, maybe you should try staring at your character's legs for half of a duel instead of its entirety.

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@Helegnes

You've already shown you lack enough understanding and knowledge about Awakening Warrior to discuss any of the points brought up in the thread. You don't understand what the changes mean, what the current state of the class is, and how things would change should they go through. You most likely don't know what any of the skills mentioned do.

What you bring to this thread is ignorance. You're attempting to derail the thread with completely different subjects in hopes that other people will bandwagon in your ignorance, but, thankfully, your roleplay as an a senile old lady has made everyone cringe in the vecinity.

Unlike the thigh enjoyer however, you try to make some points, which I'm happy to address, despite them being brought up by ignorant people like you every other day.

i wouldnt mind a warrior standing in backline protecting people. in fact id love it if he was my protector. id hate it if he was protecting enemy backline.

I mean yea I can agree that every class should be somewhat useful in every content, and obviously, I haven't played warrior so idk how bad it is, but if warrior is truly unplayable in large scale then I think its fair for them to get large scale buffs.
But I don't think warrior needs to be like very good in large-scale, would be nice but they are already a very good 1v1. Yes you said some people just do nodewars and nothing else, if that true then they should choose a class that is maybe better for that, I know it kinda sucks but classes just sometimes focuses on different things, I prefer dueling, but am not going to choose witch as my main, and I actually really like witch, I like her animations and effects. You can also tag a character, to have a class for 1v1 and nodewars. But am not saying warrior should be bad in large scale just because his very good in 1v1, I think he should be able to at least perform decently well in large scale for sure if you put in the work 100% agreed.

You're still looking at raw DP buffs pre-addon mods, not to mention the new DR crystal setups on top of artefacts.

I appreciate that the block isn't a succ nova one, but the benefit is from the "sturdiness" it provides while posturing in raid imo.

Whereas all the backline players are unprotected and vulnerable to bombs, you, being in Q block, have the "luxury" of being able to miss a bomb and still not get CCed past your FG.

It's a matter of perspective; where you see a weak block with regards to turtling, I see insurance that, while blocking, you don't eat an unforeseen CC.

Imo shield players rely on their Q block too much regardless, but then, the way I'd balance shield blocks is to make them only have a single "charge" of ignoring a CC, followed by a short/medium cooldown.

As for 0 idea 0 experience. Well you're right, I haven't played awakening warrior outside of a trial about 3 years ago for the grand total of 2h. The apm is far too high for me personally.

I wouldn't say I've got no experience in PvP though... Especially large-scale.

I've pvped for approximately 6-7 years now, with 190 days of PvP time on my main witch and a further 140 on my trial.

I have shotcalled small-scale to large-scale, including siege, for about five years, and I'd say I'm generally knowledgeable on classes' positions in large-scale, although individuals of the class will often disagree with my assessment (as we see here).

On a side note, I'm an awakening witch, I believe I'm qualified to comment on the limitations of FG reliance in large-scale :)

First off I appreciate you responding to my (attempted?) points despite your apparent low opinion of me ^^.

So to take it from the top:

My response to Q block question can be seen 2 replies up.

The "warrior wisdom" was an attempt at pinpointing warriors "character". The small aoes weren't brought up as a virtue, but as a trait. Presumably a bad one. The point being you aren't an artillery mage with huge aoes, or a ranger with pinpoint projectiles. You're a melee class with small aoes (this ties into the request to be a bomber).

Now regarding me apparently ignoring OP. I already discussed Ricktrr's suggestions with him on discord at moderate length, you can find that in the PvP channel of the BDO disc, if you're interested.

I am currently more interested in arguing with this juli030 character, who's arguments are much easier to pick apart than ricktrr, and for who I have much less personal respect.

Sorry if that seems like derailing though, the way I see it I'm simply arguing with the person I quote, not the OP necessarily.

Insert whyso says something similar.

Right so, raid integrity is a word I like to use when discussing nodewar balls. Comparable synonyms could be "tankiness, staying power, health, bulk, survivability, durability". Note they are comparable but not strictly the same.

The way I use raid integrity is as a catch-all term for the means by which a raid can resist attacks. Now, resisting attacks is still very broad; there's range poke, bombs, pushes, rats diving backlines, flametower disruption, mass CC disruption, but also things like terrain breaking raids into smaller parts.

In my large-scale view, shield classes are critical for raid integrity, as they are inherently less vulnerable to unforseen circumstances. Such circumstances can include unpredicted directions of attack (an invisible ninja in a bush, a wizard on a roof behind you), or large damage bombs (an awakening nova coming in at light speed). I hope I don't have to explain how shields are generally better off than other classes in such situations?

Ofc, raid integrity is not just a passive attribute. Gauntlets also provide raid integrity, through fast reactive interceptions (grabbing said nova), same goes for warriors imo. Other classes can also add integrity through various means; a Lahn can fly up to that wizard, tho, her staying power is much lower than a warrior, (conventionally). Other classes can reduce raid integrity, for example, succ rangers and archers, classes which are easy(er) to catch off guard, and require empty space to kite.

The bomb damage refers to when geared warriors would drop down castle chokes and nuke people. I believe it was around the 2020-2021 era? Should be some clips around.