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Grabs are a win button and have ruined PVP for far too long
Jan 21, 2023, 11:38 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:06 (UTC)
# 21
On: Jan 22, 2023, 00:59 (UTC), Written by A72391

Even assuming this is true, it does not invalidate anything I said, much less counter any of my points. As i said, nearly all grabs have casting time next to instantaneous as far as human reaction is concerned. I of course have run grab resists; it's not a solution to the root cause of the problem, the grabber will just grab someone else.

Oh hell it doesn't. 30% success rate on grabs is huge. Also no your just bad. Only two classes have near instant grabs. You need to see classes with out grapple succes rate an come back. But sorcs will be sorcs no?

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:07 (UTC)
# 22

Sorceress is so broken that you can take out an entire guild of tamer with 50gs less than them.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:14 (UTC)
# 23
On: Jan 22, 2023, 01:05 (UTC), Written by Deap

Sorceress have the time to teleport 2 times & land 2 attacks while a single skill come out from most classes. Serious, as a tamer, The animation damage box doesn't even come out & I have to cancel to not get hit against sorceress. You're mocking peeps claiming grab is too strong.

What about slowing the crap out of sorceress? 

You want to slow sorceress even more? How about you tag one and see how far that gear gets u and without a buff bar?!

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:25 (UTC)
# 24
On: Jan 22, 2023, 01:06 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

Oh hell it doesn't. 30% success rate on grabs is huge. Also no your just bad. Only two classes have near instant grabs. You need to see classes with out grapple succes rate an come back. But sorcs will be sorcs no?

30% success and yet afaik it doesnt affect some classes like berserker that much. And then comes the major point: Why should anyone sacrifice valuable crystals to work around a broken mechanic that shouldn't exist in the first place. That extra grapple resist comes at the cost of doing much less damage or taking much more damage. And oh surprise, your "solution" still leaves the grabber with out any inconvenience, they get to run their normal crystals of choice, they don't even need the Ignore grab resistance because they are aware statistically next to no one runs them, and even if they did, the grabbers would still have their entire kit to deal with them, bringing to light that they don't really need the grab to perform well on their class, and that grabs wouldn't be missed by any class if eradicated. The grab is just there as an easy gamble-to-win option.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:36 (UTC)
# 25

sorcs, doesn't matter what, they are always the victims and the poor people of the game, they can outperform 90% of the classes in nodewars and sieges with the most broken mechanic in the game that is perma iframe, they still gonna pretend to be victims and spam the holy book "sorc propaganda" made by delusional people. few examples: "resist are so bad" " block classes are broken" "grabs are overpowered" . They will try to explain you how unfun and bad design is all those mechanics but for them is fine and fair mechanic to have perma iframe, be surrounded by 5-10 enemies with a glass cannon build and don't die.


Every fucking other class is broken except sorc.


Every time u show them facts, clips, warscores, etc about how broken is their class they give u a random answer about how skilled and talented is every sorc player.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 01:50 (UTC)
# 26
On: Jan 22, 2023, 01:36 (UTC), Written by Deap

sorcs, doesn't matter what, they are always the victims and the poor people of the game, they can outperform 90% of the classes in nodewars and sieges with the most broken mechanic in the game that is perma iframe, they still gonna pretend to be victims and spam the holy book "sorc propaganda" made by delusional people. few examples: "resist are so bad" " block classes are broken" "grabs are overpowered" . They will try to explain you how unfun and bad design is all those mechanics but for them is fine and fair mechanic to have perma iframe, be surrounded by 5-10 enemies with a glass cannon build and don't die.


Every fucking other class is broken except sorc.


Every time u show them facts, clips, warscores, etc about how broken is their class they give u a random answer about how skilled and talented is every sorc player.

It's simple really, iframe is not a win button. If I use my iframe on you, you won't find yourself on the ground unable to attack back, nor will it go through your SUPER ARMOR and FORWARD GUARD to get you incapacitated. iframe at best extends your life while theoretically rendering you invulnerable to most things, altho it doesn't always work in practice since plenty of times people get grabbed through their iframe. But you are just trying to divert the attention as to why the grab is the most powerful skill in the game and needs eradication. You are just helping me build my case, I have already considered all the possibilities and there is no comparison between grab and iframe. Grab gives you a guaranteed win, iframe merely extends your life while you still need to do standard combat afterwards, not so with grabs. if you land it it will usually be over thereafter the grab is landed. Eradicate grabs, there is no excuse for them to exist in balanced combat.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 03:32 (UTC)
# 27

I just imagine PA trying to get new player. Behold, sorceress player yoink everyone new group of player with a single hit & teleport to the next. I know grinding is important for you. But nobody care about PVP, cause your class exist.

I'm a bet more within all the classes in BDO more sorceress went red far more often than anything else.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 03:48 (UTC)
# 28
On: Jan 22, 2023, 03:25 (UTC), Written by Deap

I just imagine PA trying to get new player & sorceress player yoink everyone new group of player with a single hit & teleport to the next. I know grinding is important for you. But nobody care about PVP, cause your class exist.

I really have no idea what u are talking about here. Sorceress killing new players in a single hit? Look at AOS and tell me how a sorc one-hits anything at that gear level, its one of the most underwhelming classes in terms of damage at that gear level, not even mentioning the lack of utility in its kit it brings, this including all her iframes. Compare sorc instead to a class with a grab, it is a mile of difference the one they make at that gear level just by having a grab which is extremely oppresive in AOS and outside of it. If we instead don't consider new players but geared veterans, pretty much any class can one/two hit these day under certain conditions. You are trying to target my class to discredit my point which is unrelated. All while there being no competitive player in their right mind that would reroll to Sorceress at this point in time in order to gain an edge. In fact you see the opposite for quite some time now. Sorceresses switching to wizards, ninjas, even DK's. Tell me of one case in the last year of a competitive player that switched to sorceress to gain an edge in pvp. I can name you plenty of sorcs I knew (of the few there already were) that switched from sorc to something else. Again, no one in thier right mind would pick sorceress at this point in time over most other classes in order to gain a competitive edge in pvp. This has very little to do with our grab discussion, but I could not miss the oportunity to defend my class against hypocricy.

P.S. More answers to your unrelated accusations. No, I'm not a grinder. I mostly just do PVP. This level is from months of overnight dummy training. You should not take everything at face-value.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 04:09 (UTC)
# 29
On: Jan 22, 2023, 03:40 (UTC), Written by A72391

I really have no idea what u are talking about here. Sorceress killing new players in a single hit? Look at AOS and tell me how a sorc one-hits anything at that gear level, its one of the most underwhelming classes in terms of damage at that gear level, not even mentioning the lack of utility in its kit it brings, this including all her iframes. Compare sorc instead to a class with a grab, it is a mile of difference the one they make at that gear level just by having a grab which is extremely oppresive in AOS and outside of it. If we instead don't consider new players but geared veterans, pretty much any class can one/two hit these day under certain conditions. You are trying to target my class to discredit my point which is unrelated. All while there being no competitive player in their right mind that would reroll to Sorceress at this point in time in order to gain an edge. In fact you see the opposite for quite some time now. Sorceresses switching to wizards, ninjas, even DK's. Tell me of one case in the last year of a competitive player that switched to sorceress to gain an edge in pvp. I can name you plenty of sorcs I knew (of the few there already were) that switched from sorc to something else. Again, no one in thier right mind would pick sorceress at this point in time over most other classes in order to gain a competitive edge in pvp. This has very little to do with our grab discussion, but I could not miss the oportunity to defend my class against hypocricy.

P.S. More answers to your unrelated accusations. No, I'm not a grinder. I mostly just do PVP. This level is from months of overnight dummy training. You should not take everything at face-value.

Lol AoS people do that still? With the dog mechanics. NA has a lot of sorcs in siege guilds and in node war guilds... You serious? I have seen more sorcs then most other classes. Theres no way you you think sorc isnt broken also sorc use to take skill before rework. Not anymore. Sorcs are no where near a bad spot. Just because you dont see sorcs in rbf doesnt meant they dont exist, alot of people stopped going to rbf because of fotm rerollers and the stupid mechanic where one team can have 40 people an the other side have 10 or less

Edit: zerk has 30% increased success rate on grabs. Its one of the classes i named.

Last Edit : Jan 22, 2023, 04:14 (UTC)
# 30
On: Jan 22, 2023, 03:40 (UTC), Written by A72391

I really have no idea what u are talking about here. Sorceress killing new players in a single hit? Look at AOS and tell me how a sorc one-hits anything at that gear level, its one of the most underwhelming classes in terms of damage at that gear level, not even mentioning the lack of utility in its kit it brings, this including all her iframes. Compare sorc instead to a class with a grab, it is a mile of difference the one they make at that gear level just by having a grab which is extremely oppresive in AOS and outside of it. If we instead don't consider new players but geared veterans, pretty much any class can one/two hit these day under certain conditions. You are trying to target my class to discredit my point which is unrelated. All while there being no competitive player in their right mind that would reroll to Sorceress at this point in time in order to gain an edge. In fact you see the opposite for quite some time now. Sorceresses switching to wizards, ninjas, even DK's. Tell me of one case in the last year of a competitive player that switched to sorceress to gain an edge in pvp. I can name you plenty of sorcs I knew (of the few there already were) that switched from sorc to something else. Again, no one in thier right mind would pick sorceress at this point in time over most other classes in order to gain a competitive edge in pvp. This has very little to do with our grab discussion, but I could not miss the oportunity to defend my class against hypocricy.

P.S. More answers to your unrelated accusations. No, I'm not a grinder. I mostly just do PVP. This level is from months of overnight dummy training. You should not take everything at face-value.

Well stop doing 1V3 with your class. You can't one tap peeps 1 vs 60 like you do in the world map.

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