He is soo much out of everything. Wonder should i advice to not waste time with him or just continue to laugh. There must be topic with golden memes. He is a king !!!!

If you don't like slow progressing/grinding games, don't play it, go prove that you are #1 somewhere else, in a game where you get everything very fast. Oh wait, right, you sux and blame it on gear/class, anything else, that's why you don't play those  "equal" and "balanced" games, because  you can't blame it on gear/balance there.

Once you given best gear, you will sux anyway and will silently leave unavailable to prove that you are the king.

I cannot agree with this post, well, the post itself isn't wrong per say, the game is a grindfest, but so are most Korean MMOs, the request for making things even "easier" to get is the part that I'll address.

I started playing in 2018, and let me tell you, OOHHH BOY did they make things mad easy to get in comparison, but some story first. I still caught the time where full TRI boss gear + TRI accessories made you a decent geared player or a BIG BOI depending on your goals, then, suddenly they gave full TRI for free (non sellable at market boss gear that would lose it's effect if you went red), after me and many others (even older players will have struggled much, MUCH more than I did) played the game, explored a lot of it and grinded A LOT (anyone here remember when a lot of the trash loot was worth like, give or take 3k if I recall? Instead of the 15k-18k? And rare drops were actually rare? ).

Then Full TET boss gear + accessories became the soft cap. So, me and many other players that I knew or didn't know, kept going, still no buffs to the loot value and stuff, ya know, 1-2 years in total (that's for me, I'm not a casual nor a extremely dedicated player), and then, it came...the elvia realm, a ridiculous amount of non taxable silver flooding the economy, the rich got massively richer, and there was no way anyone else could keep up, even me, a considerably dedicated player at the time, started lagging behind, only being able to remain slightly above the average GS, but eventually dropping to the average GS (not the server average, the PvP average, I used to PvP a lot more than I do nowadays).

People complained about this, and after quite a while, what did PA do? Despite how much easier silver was to come across now, they buffed the Valencia region to basically rival Elvia, but it was way overtuned, as they didn't just massively increase the trash loot value, but also, the drop chance of scrolls and other goodies that add a lot of value to the grind. Seasons made getting up to full TET boss gear achieveable in less than a month, even if you only somewhat know what you're doing, and if you don't, 1-2 months, or still less than a month if you join the guild and get some guidance.

Now, a few years of this, and we got, easy full PEN gear and weapons + TET accessories are achieveable in up to 6 months (if you play 2 hours a day at least that is, and focus those hours on grinding, which, if that's the time you have to play, i'd advise you to calm down, breathe in game world, and enjoy it slow, pace yourself, or the game will smoke you down, full TET or PEN gear+weapons and TRI-TET accessories is enough to explore everything in the game except the really high end areas which, imo, aren't really worth apart from that orzeca outfit and some other goodies I suppose).

All in all, I'm not even one of the most veteran or experienced players out there, and since 2018 I took some long breaks (I only rarely afk in the game, and my game time is below 10k hours, even after all this time), but I managed to get near 720 GS (will be 720 GS in a few months if caphras event comes along), did the base stuff at sailing but didn't get a carrack, did most of the main lifeskill quests (but am not a lifeskiller, I just enjoy the quests and exploring the world and learning the LORE, it's a good break from the grind and stuff), I basically have no real PvE quests to do, main or side quests, and did a good amount of RBF, Node Wars and Sieges, all in all, I did almost everything I think so, Mr.Worldwide title when?

If this is the style of game for you, this is not a game you'll get in a month to max gear and stuff, like GW2 and other MMOs and get to fighting the cream of the crop PvP players, and then get bored after a while of doing it and never return to the game cause "nothing to do". There is a lot of content, that yes, could use a lot more depth, but you don't have to rush it. This game's true content, is not the goals themselves that are set by either PA or other players, it's the journey you take to get to them or to the goals YOU set for yourself. Plenty of people around 600 GS that most likely are having a blast with the game, despite having what's considered "low gear score". And it's a every easy to achieve GS, and many of them will gladly help you on your journeys or give you guidance, all you gotta do is find a good guild, don't try to immediately go for the big boi guilds.

How can you talk about progress in a game that regresses you if you have a failed enchant.

We only have one progressive system in bdo: tuvala->jetina. Period.

It was a huge step forward, but only added to the game because... most players didn't even have a single boss pen item after 4-5 years!

Godr-ayed is again two steps back and a dead end again just like bs armour.

And accessories where you can lose everything you have gained for 7 years!

Conclusion: you can't get true end game items either from enchanting or buying them because it takes years of playing, which is nonsense because aimless grind of mobs for trash is not all bdo has to offer.

If, for example, godr-ayed acted like Jetina and guaranteed receiving a bs pen, it would make sense to me and give me a goal in playing, but since I can have 50, 100, 1000 fail it's pointless.

With 2 hours of grinding per day, all the silver from events we always have and other stuff it's not hard getting 2 billion per day. 

2 narc, 2 ruins, valtarra, lunar, 2 silent, 2 c20 armor, 3 c20 weapons together costs like 1100b. For evasion double disto centaur sicil is about the same.

That's soft-hardcap. For most classes those builds are good.

If you're a class which can't make use of any kind of defensive stats then... It's gonna be more expensive. And let's leave it at that for now

So that's 550days, about 1.5 years to be more or less done with your gear. 

Idk about you but that sounds good to me.

That's what i'm talking about, this is the current softcap, I'm asking what's next?

My AP hasn't even increased by 1 in the last year. And it did not increase because ... AP price list I gave above.

I will repeat: 5-10b grind is real, 150-200b is pointless.

To be fair, that's why I don't enhance (the few times I even tap, i with J's Hammers or crons, and that's only for fallen god, I buy everything else with the silver I grind), not worth gambling away tens of billions with such low chances imo, but that's how I got my stuff, everyone has a different approach I guess, in this I know I'm a minority that doesn't really engage with the enhancing. And no, I don't P2W. I only paid to look good (outfits and horse armor), and as of a while ago, I have not given PA any more $, cause I feel like, they don't deserve my cash anymore with the low effort they're putting in, no matter how good new outfits may look anymore.

Please facts, arguments, not empty words.

Black and white: how is a new player with 281 AP to earn 2b EVERY DAY, DAILY (playing 1-2 hours a day)?

I am waiting for arguments and a sensible answer.

Hmm, I don't really look at the silver I make, I just go at it, and enjoy the game, but, I'll try to answer you (I still have no idea why so many people in forums seem to dislike you, but so far, I see no reason to, so I shall answer to the best of my abilities).

Depending on class, ofc, but I play Awakening Wizard, so, it's a bit difficult to be outclassed in any aspect of combat, PvE or PvP by it, so this might work for every class.

Mirumok has been supremely buffed, a lot of people ignore that place cause, 2 useless drops, voodoo dolls and destruction spirit stones (only worth to recharge your vell's heart), and only use it for Exp. It's actually decent money and valtarra belts can drop (you can sell base or gamble to get up to DUO, which should be easy if you have even a smidge more luck than me, for a big boost in earnings). Furthermore, caphras, you can use them or sell them. If you're not full PEN weapons and armor and TET accessories, I'd advise selling them. You also get some spirit dust and black stones, which together should be enough for some extra caphras, and the rest of the black stones, to the market they go.

With a few loot scrolls, a few simple cron meals (not that you need any buffs) and even pop some scrolls, you'll be earning decent money and a lot of exp at the same time, on a very chill place that apart from your rare griefer encounter (considering griefer someone that isn't there for spot, just to kill low geared people for the sake of it, if you're killed for rotation, fair game, but even then, it's extremely rare, might happen 1-2 times a month), you won't have any problems, just dodge the red circles if you don't have a lot of DP. Oh, and also, don't go main rotation, there's 2 rotations near the entrance to holo forest coming from the wisdom tree, one with 3 spawners (go too quick and you'll be waiting a few seconds for spawner respawn), another with 4 spawners, that should be enough unless you're going really fast and efficient grinding, I prefer chill grinding, so the work more than enough for me, and since you can't blow up the spawners anymore until all the spawns are killed, even better.

I don't know if it makes those 2 billions but, hope you find it a sensible answer. I used Mirumok to accomodate a good region for even lower GS than mentioned, and it's a group area, so, people can group up as well, maybe they're playing with friends or family.

Bdo is an Asian grinder, designed to spin circles hour after hour. Not for a few days rather weeks, months, years.
5 or 6 years ago, when I started bdo, it was common to grind 2-3weeks for 2mrd ´..nowadays u can easily get same silver in 2 days. 

As the game has evolved, it's now incredibly easy to upgrade your gear and get Silver. Season, gifts like boss/pen items, rift bosses, Elvia etc... there are so many ways to shape your progress. 

However.., "progress" in Bdo does not mean that you will get 700 GS after 2 month as casual player. ...Bdo has never been a game that you just run through.

I still don't have a pen item after 5 years. But that's not a ultimatum for having fun with the game. Pvp can also be lot of fun with low gear. And dont forget, highgeared player at bdo have laborious invested much time! Most of them dont play since 6 month, mostly 3-4 years or longer..