People against this change aren't simply saying "crystals will go down". They're screaming "The crystal market will be completely doomed and will break forever" which is an exagerated statement.
There are other factors to console, but best in slot crystals are almost the same for everybody and every class.
I "cherry picked" best in slot PVE crystals. Why should have I brought up crystals not affected by PVE deaths?
You said you would replace your current crystals to buy better ones, making the price of those crystals go down. I wanna know which crystals you're wearing now that are not the best in slot and have decent value in the market. Crimson flame Powers? That's all I can think of.
"Ask those dudes if those crystals dropping to min and losing 1b per run for that boring crap is ok "
Wtf? No one is grinding main story as a source of money per hour. They're doing it for other reasons and the crystal is just a plus. Main story is shitty money per hour.
People will still need rebelliouses if the change goes through. I am a returning player and I never got one for free, I had to buy 2 from scratch. There will always be new and returning players coming to the game needing those, for the same reason PEN boss gear and TET blackstars are still sold. There will be some people not wanting to run the story twice, or even once since you need Valencia 2. You're acting like hundreds of rebelliouses are broken on a daily basis. Also boxes event is over and the chance was very low, which is why the price is still 1.3 bils for something that can break due to 2 seconds of lag. That's a very expensive draught.
Kagtunaks would probably be the loser of this discussion but still remain profitable cause you literally need a single black magic crystal to combine it with to make a dark red fang, and dark red fangs are both BIS in some cases or used to make Ultimate Macalods and Hooms, so their demand will remain high. And honestly, if people don't agree to making crystals unbreakable because they can keep selling kagtunaks, I'd be questioning their sanity. They're dropped in a spot most people that want this change to happen grind.
Forest crystals? Who is breaking their cooking mastery crystal in PVE? Are you ok? Their price would stay exactly the same as now.
And "others"? There are no others apart from the best in slot PVE crystals that are main protagonist of this whole thread.
No spot is grinded cause of the crystal they drop. So no, there won't be useless spots in the way you mean it.
LoML nodes? that can be solved pretty easily by giving a secondary function to crystal of harmony and similar. Like heating them for a bunch magical shards or whatever.
IF they become an issue at all.
Also, I'd like to tell you a story that has happened to me, and could happen to everyone else here:
During this 100% droprate event week I've grinded 10 hours at Gyfin Underground.
I this span of time, I had 2 disconnections due to my router restarting.
I lost a Brutal Decimation the first time, and an Ultimate Macalod the second time, for a total of 1.45 Bils.
On average I grind 550 Mil/h of trash loot (22k), while I keep the rest of the sellable stuff usually cause I need it or I'll have to use it in the future.
This basically means that the liquid silver of 3 of those 10 hours was nullified.
I wrote to support both times, wasting a good 20 minutes to write the message with all proof and info both times.
One was 2023-09-02 18:51:21 (UTC)
In 3 days, they still haven't responded. The video proof of me having a disconnection even expired and I can't amend the query to put a new link. (I'll put it here to give you a taste of what happened, but it will only be viewable for 2 days https://streamable.com/58ezpe ).
The second time was today, and I can't even imagine when I will get my answer.
Of course I had to rebuy those crystals cause I was planning to grind, and now I temporarily have less capital, and will have to lose money on market tax when they decide to restore them.
Also I apparently am wasting both of my yearly crystal restorations...so what now?
This is so frustrating it makes me want to not grind ever again. Cause I know I don't belong to places where the chance of dying is 0 even with disconnections and I don't want to be forced in those places because of this system.
After almost 3 full days here's the main part of support's answer:
2023-09-05 10:28:11 (UTC 0)
"We offer this recovery only twice a year and want to ensure that you use it for your most valuable crystals. If you agree to proceed, please reply to me confirming that you want to use one of your restoration attempts to restore this 'Crystal of Brutal Decimation'.
As for not using one of your recovery attempts for this, unfortunately, it will not be possible to do so. We know that the players tend to choose when to use these recoveries based on the value of the crystals they lost, but these two crystal recoveries were specially put in place to help players in case they lose crystals due to reasons outside of their control, like what happened to you now."
So I'm allowed to have 2 disconnections a year, in comparison to the hundreds or thousands of hours that I grind in that same amount of time.
I had to cancel my second inquiry about the macalod.
I'm only using my 2 recoveries for my girin's tear.
However this is a huge turndown for my will to grind, and it's also a huge disappointment if I end up having to go back to orcs.
it's insane how some people defend crystal breaking it make no sense this is not good for anyone
it's insane how some people defend crystal breaking it make no sense this is not good for anyone
It's good for them. They gatekeeping everyone else out of their "rank" so they don't need to compete.
Is it toxic? As hell.
After almost 3 full days here's the main part of support's answer:
2023-09-05 10:28:11 (UTC 0)
"We offer this recovery only twice a year and want to ensure that you use it for your most valuable crystals. If you agree to proceed, please reply to me confirming that you want to use one of your restoration attempts to restore this 'Crystal of Brutal Decimation'.
As for not using one of your recovery attempts for this, unfortunately, it will not be possible to do so. We know that the players tend to choose when to use these recoveries based on the value of the crystals they lost, but these two crystal recoveries were specially put in place to help players in case they lose crystals due to reasons outside of their control, like what happened to you now."
So I'm allowed to have 2 disconnections a year, in comparison to the hundreds or thousands of hours that I grind in that same amount of time.
I had to cancel my second inquiry about the macalod.
I'm only using my 2 recoveries for my girin's tear.
However this is a huge turndown for my will to grind, and it's also a huge disappointment if I end up having to go back to orcs.
Think of the manhours Pearl Abyss could utilize elsewhere if they did not have to respond, investigate, check if it exceeds the 2 a year threshold, and then refunds peoples crystals when they break. This change really needs to happen.
Also, think of how many people who will now just quit and play a different game if Pearl Abyss says, "I'm sorry you've exceeded your 2 crystals a year because you lost 2 crystals this 1 death and 2 crystals another singlular death."
As a new player i would love this change
I'm agree with the base idea, but not agree with all the comments. Imo, you have a bad connection : so dont play online games. Sorry for you, but making dekhia oluns with guys and one have a disconnection, its just insane for the two others, i just blacklist those guys. And im not full agree with the idea of people with no GS abusing the non crystal break for grinding end game zones.
Finally i think a good idea to content everyone, and to prevent lags issues or rare disconnections, would be to do like a "daily protection". You can die 1 to 3 times per day, resetting with the other dailies at 00.15, without losing exp or crystal. But if you die after those, you have 100% chance crystal break and xp loss, and so just remove the " death penalty reduction " from outfits and pets.
Better idea : just add a church buff for this. 600m for 3h, 1b for 5h. So 200m/h. Each player chose to take it or no depending of the spot.
I'm agree with the base idea, but not agree with all the comments. Imo, you have a bad connection : so dont play online games. Sorry for you, but making dekhia oluns with guys and one have a disconnection, its just insane for the two others, i just blacklist those guys. And im not full agree with the idea of people with no GS abusing the non crystal break for grinding end game zones.
Finally i think a good idea to content everyone, and to prevent lags issues or rare disconnections, would be to do like a "daily protection". You can die 1 to 3 times per day, resetting with the other dailies at 00.15, without losing exp or crystal. But if you die after those, you have 100% chance crystal break and xp loss, and so just remove the " death penalty reduction " from outfits and pets.
Better idea : just add a church buff for this. 600m for 3h, 1b for 5h. So 200m/h. Each player chose to take it or no depending of the spot.
Umm... I would expect a bit better level of argumentation from you.
1) I have always had good internet connection (I live like 500m from the relay tower) and desyncs always happened for me. This makes your argument about people with bad conection void. You can have good connection and still desync and lose crystals as I did yesterday with 293/382 on damn Rhutums. Your argument is shallow, expecting that desync is somehow always the players' fault. No other game ever punished me so severely for a short desync and loading screen as BDO.
2) People with no GS grinding endgame spots is simply not possible and profitable. How did this even come to your mind? That someone would like to try killing single mob for 5 minues without sufficient AP? Or die every 2 minutes? What sense does this make?
3) The church buff is an idea that you proposed for whom? Who in their right mind would use such a buff? You really would? -200m/h, so any spot becomes the same value as Orcs or worse? You are not even trying to think of ways that might make the game more enjoyable for other players. You are just screaming "not on my turf" loudly.
Okay at least the 3-death daily crystal protection makes a bit of sense, but it would not make any sense for PA, because this might lead to people playing the game less if they do not have the protection. Which - I might guess - really is not PA's shiny dream. Why do you think that they reworked the Marni realm to recharge only when a player is online and they did not increase the rechargeable 1 hour? To make everyone play/be connected less?