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Let Shais copy their "awakening-weapon"
Sep 22, 2023, 06:51 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Sep 22, 2023, 08:24 (UTC)
# 1

Family Name: Winterklinge

Region (NA/EU): EU

Suggestions/Comments: Change to Tag-System to include Shai

Situation right now: Because Shai can't use a normal Awakening weapon but rather a special item called Sol, she isn't able to use the tag and copy system to its full extend. While all other classes can Tag another character freely and copy their gear as much as they want, Shai has the big disadvantage to not be able to copy a Awakening weapon.

The Sol-Item has the same chances to upgrade with the same materials and Failstacks as any Dandelion. But it can't be bought, sold, caphraed or made into bs version. As the Sol has different effects as a normal weapon she can't be copied over into a normal weapon right now.

This leads to the following problem: everything a Shai-main wants to try out a new class, she can't just tag a class and copy her gear on it. Rather she gets a secondary class without any Awa weapon.The only way to try out another class right now, is to have an extra Dandelion. This wouldn't be a big deal, if you wouldn't need to use a weapon rerole coupon everything the player wants to try out another class. 

Beside the rerole coupons we got for free with several events, you need to pay for them with rl money. 

So basicly Shais are stuck on their class unless they want to pay real money, have a free coupon left or buy a new Dandelion and caphra it every time (a lot of lost money with taxes and the cost of caphra extraction).

This also means that every tag event is a joke on all the Shais.

Solution: Shai doesn't need a awa bs or caphras on her Sol, but why not let us put another's class awa weapon in the tag window for copy? She wouldn't become stronger with this, no item would need to be changed, but it would free Shai Players to try out other classes and participate on the tag-events. 

Secondary idea, give Shais a passive skill or an Shai exclusive NPC that let's us trade any Dandelion into another while paying the same amount/give amount of items that players when they copy their awa weapon.

e.g. I have a pen Valk Dandelion C12 and could exchange that into any other Pen Dandelion C12 weapon. We would still require an extra item but at least we would be able to exchange that for the normal copy price 

Third idea: make a third tag option. FotM Reroles are a thing anyway with the normal tag system...

Last Edit : Sep 22, 2023, 16:53 (UTC)
# 2

Yes, totally unfair treatment for shais, good suggestions to change this!

In addition, a third tagg would actually also a pretty nice idea, since people who fotm already do it anyway. If you want to restrict it you could still make it a bit more expensive or give it a time cooldown before you change the third tagg.

Last Edit : Sep 22, 2023, 20:53 (UTC)
# 3

This topic was raised a lot of times in this forum but PA don't give a shit about Shai players. I already created similiar topic few days ago: [Feedback] Partial fix for shai tagging/copy gear problem | Black Desert NA/EU/OC (playblackdesert.com)  

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2023, 08:18 (UTC)
# 4
On: Sep 22, 2023, 20:53 (UTC), Written by Sealti

This topic was raised a lot of times in this forum but PA don't give a shit about Shai players. I already created similiar topic few days ago: [Feedback] Partial fix for shai tagging/copy gear problem | Black Desert NA/EU/OC (playblackdesert.com)  

today again. Sorry for not seeing ur post before, should have scrolled a bit further I guess.

I don't think its that PA doesn't care, but that they have a hard stance to not change Shais special weapon, and that's was most of the posts are about (urs is not tho). I I thought we could come up with a few possibilities that would give the shai players a way to be part of the whole tagging/copy thing without needing to change the weapons and balance around the changes.

One of the problems this forum has is, that is was completely irrelevant for years and especially long-time players still think the same. Also the annoying log-in feature to comment and upvote stops ppl from interacting with it. Would be way easier and would get more feedback it was available in the game and not only on the website.

So most Shais don't read the forum, even if showed a good post will discuss and think about it rather on discord and another post will sink into the depths of forgotten posts. 

And ppl that arent Shais basically don't care about Shais...so they don't comment and upvote....

I hope we can get some more easy fixes to the tag system that PA explain away with "shai is special"

Another idea to fix the problem: Give players 3-5 times a year the possibility to write the support and get a free awa weapon exchange coupon. That would be the 0-work solution for PA. 

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2023, 12:25 (UTC)
# 5
UPDATE OUR SHAI!
Give more importance to a class that everyone uses only for free LT rerolls!
Finally give the player the playable shai and finally giving him a real balance!
Stop trying to give him AP damage PvP when 3/4 of the spells not protect or otherwise change the false gameplay difficulty in character creation!
everyone only plays with full dp access! so give him a real tankiness update!
Put the importance in the right place!
balanced this shai which is one of the most requested classes for these buffs on nodes war!
Give him a reason to live!
Why update every class who could already kill shais without accu accessory when they already operational!
You saw 3 Koreans playing and winning money at trolls spot with tag shai and you killed it!
If the community used "rock, paper, cisor" for duels for spot, it's because she CAN'T duel
GIVE IT HIS TURN NOW THX!
Last Edit : Sep 23, 2023, 17:36 (UTC)
# 6

Honestly i have long given up.

Last Edit : Sep 23, 2023, 19:53 (UTC)
# 7
On: Sep 23, 2023, 17:36 (UTC), Written by GreenShadow

Honestly i have long given up.

Never give up!

Last Edit : Sep 24, 2023, 18:22 (UTC)
# 8
On: Sep 23, 2023, 19:53 (UTC), Written by Winterklinge

Salt. I already have a V BS awa... this is an annoying issue. I hate that we have this problem. I hate that BDO Devs won't even let me tag my V BS and I have to either spend money or wait for coupons. I feel like the Devs owe us better mechanics than what shais have right now for tagging. Do it better, plz.

Last Edit : Sep 26, 2023, 15:06 (UTC)
# 9
On: Sep 24, 2023, 18:22 (UTC), Written by Dreadspark

Salt. I already have a V BS awa... this is an annoying issue. I hate that we have this problem. I hate that BDO Devs won't even let me tag my V BS and I have to either spend money or wait for coupons. I feel like the Devs owe us better mechanics than what shais have right now for tagging. Do it better, plz.

especially cause there are so many ways to accomplished it without changing other stuff or balance or class identity. 

I also got a V BS. Was thinking about getting a full set of extra weapons on another class I like so I can tag that class to another one. My Shai would still have her DP Set and and I could switch around the armor and accessories if I would only tag the weapons on Class 2 and 3....but who want to get another V BS....or another Offhand or 2 depending on which u want...this shouldn't be our only solution. 

Last Edit : Sep 27, 2023, 05:23 (UTC)
# 10

Sadly as long as your shai is tilling the fields in the morning and table dancing at night PA feels she is working as intended

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