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Genuinely confused about Berserker...
Jun 20, 2024, 17:18 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jun 20, 2024, 17:18 (UTC)
# 1

Hi all, to preface this I want to say I am relatively new to BDO, particularly pvp and how classes work in depth. However, i have played tens of thousands of hours of wow as well as gw2 and loa, so mmos in general are not alien to me.

Suffice it so say I am completely blown away by just how broken the Berserker class APPEARS to be, and am wondering if I am missing something here because of my inexperience or if maybe PA really is that inept at balance or perhaps legitimately does not care? 

I played four different characters so far, a dk, a drakania, a warrior and sage, and the next was going to be the zerker. After trialling him I noticed first that he had two grabs, that wasnt too crazy, it kinda made sense i guess for the big melee character even if it was super powerful. But then I noticed he has an abundance of skills that regen A LOT of health without him even needing to hit anything. I haven't seen anything like that on another class yet but again it kinda made sense, but then I wondered why warrior wouldnt get something similar even to a much smaller degree. But things just kept piling up, because then I noticed he had several skills that could apply CC while being protected, some in the rage state but some even outside of it. That really stood out, none of my other characters had this that I could see, outside of grab and Core skills I think theres only one or two that can apply just stiffness while protected in pvp. And then finally, his movement. While not as fast as my drakania he could just keep going forever, never running out of stamina.

Berserker was BY FAR the most powerful class I had seen yet, and I mean by a mile, it's not even close. But again maybe I'm just missing something, I am pretty new after all.

So then I decided to look at the recent patches and learned about class ratios. This is when I decided to make this post actually. After seeing that Berserker BY DEFAULT does a flat 18.5% increased damage TO EVERY OTHER CLASS with no exception, while other classes have a much more mixed bag and do less than full damage to other classes I just had to come here and ask wtf is this? Seriously wtf is this? And to top it ALL off this recent patch where they changed many things up... Berserkers SOMEHOW get a HUGE DP buff, doubling the DP they can buff themselves with while nearly every other class gets nerfs to their DP buffs across the board... 

So I ask you, why are we all not playing Berserkers? Because I'm definitely about to main one now, I can't see any logical reason to gimp myself by not playing one. I guess it's a nice bonus that I was going to roll one anyway and I genuinely like the class fantasy. I really hope I'm wrong here and there's at least some downside I'm not seeing here...

Last Edit : Jun 20, 2024, 18:51 (UTC)
# 2

You didn't miss anything, the class just feels superior

Last Edit : Jun 20, 2024, 19:20 (UTC)
# 3
On: Jun 20, 2024, 17:18 (UTC), Written by SufferSaiyan

Hi all, to preface this I want to say I am relatively new to BDO, particularly pvp and how classes work in depth. However, i have played tens of thousands of hours of wow as well as gw2 and loa, so mmos in general are not alien to me.

Suffice it so say I am completely blown away by just how broken the Berserker class APPEARS to be, and am wondering if I am missing something here because of my inexperience or if maybe PA really is that inept at balance or perhaps legitimately does not care? 

I played four different characters so far, a dk, a drakania, a warrior and sage, and the next was going to be the zerker. After trialling him I noticed first that he had two grabs, that wasnt too crazy, it kinda made sense i guess for the big melee character even if it was super powerful. But then I noticed he has an abundance of skills that regen A LOT of health without him even needing to hit anything. I haven't seen anything like that on another class yet but again it kinda made sense, but then I wondered why warrior wouldnt get something similar even to a much smaller degree. But things just kept piling up, because then I noticed he had several skills that could apply CC while being protected, some in the rage state but some even outside of it. That really stood out, none of my other characters had this that I could see, outside of grab and Core skills I think theres only one or two that can apply just stiffness while protected in pvp. And then finally, his movement. While not as fast as my drakania he could just keep going forever, never running out of stamina.

Berserker was BY FAR the most powerful class I had seen yet, and I mean by a mile, it's not even close. But again maybe I'm just missing something, I am pretty new after all.

So then I decided to look at the recent patches and learned about class ratios. This is when I decided to make this post actually. After seeing that Berserker BY DEFAULT does a flat 18.5% increased damage TO EVERY OTHER CLASS with no exception, while other classes have a much more mixed bag and do less than full damage to other classes I just had to come here and ask wtf is this? Seriously wtf is this? And to top it ALL off this recent patch where they changed many things up... Berserkers SOMEHOW get a HUGE DP buff, doubling the DP they can buff themselves with while nearly every other class gets nerfs to their DP buffs across the board... 

So I ask you, why are we all not playing Berserkers? Because I'm definitely about to main one now, I can't see any logical reason to gimp myself by not playing one. I guess it's a nice bonus that I was going to roll one anyway and I genuinely like the class fantasy. I really hope I'm wrong here and there's at least some downside I'm not seeing here...

Please post your gameplay here so we can see all of your kills in node war or RBF as a zerker.

,

Last Edit : Jun 20, 2024, 20:39 (UTC)
# 4

Zerkers are broken right now, they are having a blast lol

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2024, 03:27 (UTC)
# 5
On: Jun 20, 2024, 19:16 (UTC), Written by GodSlinger

Please post your gameplay here so we can see all of your kills in node war or RBF as a zerker.

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Are you trying to imply Berserkers cannot do enough damage? The class ratios at the very least  go against this notion, and I also see at least a few skills that look like they would do heavy damage in pvp, especially the thunder one, forget the exact name. But if this is the case, then at least they would have SOME downside, like I said I'm just going off what's on paper here, I just started the class today and am speaking from what i experienced on other classes. And the damage numbers themselves don't look significantly lower for Berserker so not sure why this would be the case, it would be cool if you could actually explain it a bit but you probably think I'm just trashing on the class judging by the snark.

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2024, 10:28 (UTC)
# 6
On: Jun 21, 2024, 03:27 (UTC), Written by SufferSaiyan

Are you trying to imply Berserkers cannot do enough damage? The class ratios at the very least  go against this notion, and I also see at least a few skills that look like they would do heavy damage in pvp, especially the thunder one, forget the exact name. But if this is the case, then at least they would have SOME downside, like I said I'm just going off what's on paper here, I just started the class today and am speaking from what i experienced on other classes. And the damage numbers themselves don't look significantly lower for Berserker so not sure why this would be the case, it would be cool if you could actually explain it a bit but you probably think I'm just trashing on the class judging by the snark.

Thats exactly what I'm implying. I think you have zero clue what you're talking about hence the reason why I want to see some gameplay of you being a monster with the class. Again, being tanky and actually killing people are two different things. Try it out and post it here so we can see you walk away with tons of kills because the class may survive now, but has the same problem it had before. It doesnt do a lot of damage (Succ Zerk), especially now that they took away the combo (Specifically tackling rock) that did a ton of damage when grabbing someone. Awaken Zerk is EXTREMELY Hard to play, but does a lot of damage so...

Also when you think about it, EVERY class has a 10% damage reduction modifier to super armors... Zerker has a 15% which means its a whoping 5% more than the normal. That class is not the one that is killing you. It may grab you but you more than likely got burnt by someone that is doing way too much damage still like a ranger, sage, musa, etc.

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2024, 13:11 (UTC)
# 7
On: Jun 21, 2024, 10:28 (UTC), Written by GodSlinger

Thats exactly what I'm implying. I think you have zero clue what you're talking about hence the reason why I want to see some gameplay of you being a monster with the class. Again, being tanky and actually killing people are two different things. Try it out and post it here so we can see you walk away with tons of kills because the class may survive now, but has the same problem it had before. It doesnt do a lot of damage (Succ Zerk), especially now that they took away the combo (Specifically tackling rock) that did a ton of damage when grabbing someone. Awaken Zerk is EXTREMELY Hard to play, but does a lot of damage so...

Also when you think about it, EVERY class has a 10% damage reduction modifier to super armors... Zerker has a 15% which means its a whoping 5% more than the normal. That class is not the one that is killing you. It may grab you but you more than likely got burnt by someone that is doing way too much damage still like a ranger, sage, musa, etc.

bro he literally said he was new and just wondering why zerker seems so crazy on paper. Instead of being rude and effectively hitting him with a "no its not broken, ur just awful at the game, get some kills on endgame players on ur first month of playing" you could just calmly explain what downsides you think zerker has. Bc OP isnt wrong, zerker on paper is crazy. There are some downsides to the class (depending on what you see as downsides) but it wouldnt be wrong to say zerker is kinda crazy rn in current patch (mainly just awk) but succ is damned hard to kill for sure for a lot of classes rn.

No beef but lets not ask someone who says "Hi all, to preface this I want to say I am relatively new to BDO, particularly pvp and how classes work in depth." to know exactly how balanced a class is/isnt. Even more so when they are asking about the balance, not crying about something being broken.

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2024, 13:20 (UTC)
# 8
On: Jun 21, 2024, 13:11 (UTC), Written by Raizer218

bro he literally said he was new and just wondering why zerker seems so crazy on paper. Instead of being rude and effectively hitting him with a "no its not broken, ur just awful at the game, get some kills on endgame players on ur first month of playing" you could just calmly explain what downsides you think zerker has. Bc OP isnt wrong, zerker on paper is crazy. There are some downsides to the class (depending on what you see as downsides) but it wouldnt be wrong to say zerker is kinda crazy rn in current patch (mainly just awk) but succ is damned hard to kill for sure for a lot of classes rn.

No beef but lets not ask someone who says "Hi all, to preface this I want to say I am relatively new to BDO, particularly pvp and how classes work in depth." to know exactly how balanced a class is/isnt. Even more so when they are asking about the balance, not crying about something being broken.

No need to quote me when you cant even do that properly. I never said he was bad at the game. His initial post claimed that the class was broken and people should roll to it. I said he wasnt informed on what he said. No where did I say he was bad, I asked him to record gameplay and show us what he was talking about.

Thanks though.

Last Edit : Jun 22, 2024, 01:16 (UTC)
# 9

not entirely wrong the class is broken, well has been for a long time

Last Edit : Jun 22, 2024, 05:22 (UTC)
# 10

Bravo to you OP, for smelling the bullshit. You not missing a damn thing. Its bullshit You know it, I know it, The community knows it. For someone playing the game and new at it, you caught up and surpassed the kids who been playing this shit for 5+ years still in denial about whats busted lol.

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