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#Warrior
Revert Succession Warrior PvE nerf on global labs
Mar 22, 2025, 05:40 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 22, 2025, 05:40 (UTC)
# 1

Hi, hallo, hola, bonjour!

Some of you may know me, majority won't, but tl;dr is that i'm the guy responsible for current succession warrior guide that you can find in warrior discord and a absolute freak that counted frames just to figure out the best possible PvE combo based on DPS
Ways of the Warrior - Succession Warrior
BDO | Succession Warrior High-End Infinite PvE Combo | READ DESCRIPTION
Here is a chart comparing the damage before and after today's patch on global lab server, and I, along with many other warriors, believe nerfs to these skills are completely unwarranted and as convenient as it might sound for a warrior player like me, nerf us exactly enough that it's again not worth grinding on the class if you're looking to make money comparable to classes like Awakening Dosa.


But before i start listing why nerfs are completely unwarranted, let me break it down for people which may not have experienced high-end PvE in this game, especially on succession warrior, because I already know that people are going to down vote the post before even understanding the problem with these nerfs and our spec.

Warrior (both specs) before the buffs on march 7th on Global Labs was absolutely horrid in PvE, i can already smell someone saying "oh but in this tierlist made by XXX he's placed in X tier", well here's a news flash for you, majority of tierlists are biased, outdated, or simply created based on outdated/inaccurate information regarding PvE performance, I'd go as far as to say that ONLY person making PvE tierlists nowadays which are actually relevant is Quendya, even if they're not always perfectly accurate, they're by FAR best point of reference for people looking to play a certain class in PvE compared to tierlists made by different people, even for him it's difficult to make accurate tierlist due to lack of information on many specs which are rarely seen in PvE.

Last time succession warrior was a strong high-end PvE class, was when Dehkia 1 spots were the best spots in the game, as recommended 1k AP cap was achievable if you had enough gear, however we stopped being a strong PvE class ever since Ulukita release, which would be the latter part of 2023 when recommended AP cap jumped up to 1.1k AP, and reached being at our absolute worst on release of Dehkia 2 Oluns and fairly recent revamp of Darkseeker's Retreat, as AP spot caps skyrocketed to a whooping 1.3k and 1.15k AP, which made every single AP make a difference on those spots, ultimately putting us REALLY far behind S tier grinders because:

A) Warrior has no AP passive, and our AP self-buff was only 10 AP (now 16AP since march 7th), which was anywhere from 20 to 30 AP less innate AP than S tier grinders

B) Warrior's e-buff provides absolutely NOTHING to our damage output, no AP, attack speed, special damage modifiers or special effects like improved skill activation (that's the case for awakening warrior and succession dosa for example)
C) Powercreep, while other classes were being buffed and slowly regaining their footing in PvE, warrior was left behind for a long period of time.

So, regarding nerfs:
A) All of skills nerfed are skills we use the instant they come off CD, as they're simply too much damage for anything else to be casted, with pulverize being the sole exception (that skill needs like 2 more buffs before it's worth considering using in PvE), nerfing their damage output is gonna be instantly noticeable, as succession warrior doesn't have enough prime skill to fill the DPS with any other skills (I'll come back to this point later)
B) Right now, on live servers, for an average player, warrior will perform at about A tier level, some would argue S tier, but for that to be remotely the case you need to be constantly tryharding and min-maxing like me or Rodon with all the buffs and close to perfect skill rotations, 95%+ of warriors will not pull same numbers or be willing to put in that much effort, as the class due to it's very old-school playstyle has a lot of gimmicks and little nuances that you need to constantly manage, so you need to put more effort into grinding on succession warrior than on majority of classes, also, contrary to popular belief, we are not that low APM.

We're still outperformed by many classes like Succ Ninja, Awa Valk, Awa Dosa, Succ Witch, Awa Sorc, Deadeye and possibly other classes that got buffed on yesterday's patch as well, but as no relevant results regarding their grind post-buff are posted yet, i'll stop here.

We are however, strong enough that it's not necessary to tag a different class for PvE, with global labs nerfs however, it will be necessary to use 1-2 more skills per pack, which while not a lot on paper, makes a major difference on the whole hour of grind, as you eventually run into CD issues
C) Returning to the last sentences in point A and B, our class has an issue where we simply run out of skills due to low amount of them, we have 9 skills that we utilise for damage in PvE, well, 11 if you're counting rabams, which despite good damage hold questionable value due to lacking AoE and long, clunky animations, with cooldowns just long enough, that if you're constantly outputing DPS on spots that require it, like Dehkia Oluns 2 or Orzekea, you'll eventually run out of CD's and you'll be forced to wait ~2 seconds for skills to come off CD, on spots which require pack to pack movement like DSR, it's managable right now as after the buffs we are doing just enough damage that we can start combo from the beginning of it on next pack due to the time we take to go from finishing a pack into starting the next one, being just enouth for the relevant skills to be off CD again, after the nerfs, this will be a major issue again.

PA, please revert the nerfs, many warriors were thrilled that we don't have to have a PvE tag due to us being viable on high-end again, but these nerfs put us back in a questionable spot, making all classes have similar PvE performance has been announced to be the goal for a long time, so getting nerfed this quickly despite not being up there with best classes is very dissapointing.

Now on a personal note, i personally believe that best solution would be giving us a mini-reboot like Succession Hashashin has received on global labs yesterday, as our spec is in a really weird spot where PvE balancing has to be done around the damage on skill, where as balancing it by giving us raw AP will cause many PvP issues, and balancing PvP by giving more damage/protections can easily make us too strong for certain content like AoS, while still keeping us mediocre in large scale, a mini-reboot could do us a lot of justice, with some skills being updated to today's standards and few skills receiving prime version, our succession passive - one you automatically acquire upon selecting succession skill tree on any class and it's not visible down in passives on skill tree, buffs our... auto attacks for some reason? That could really use an update. Our class also doesn't really have an e-buff, as all it's effects: +40DP, +%20MS, +%20ACC, +40%RES do NOT stack with any of the self-buffs our class has, which makes it's value minimal for PvP, and none for PvE.

Last Edit : Mar 24, 2025, 12:15 (UTC)
# 2

Warrior... maybe the weakest pve class, deserved more buffs, outdated class in need of a partial or total class remake to be as mobile and efficient as newer classes!

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Last Edit : Mar 25, 2025, 09:16 (UTC)
# 3

I couldnt face palm hard enough when I saw what they did to warriors pve. id call it a joke but at this point its not funny anymore. the devs have 0 idea what they are doing and time and time again the devs prove that they have never played thier game

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