Pretty sure we all know this at this point but " this concludes our wave of balance patches for PVE"

These patches were supposed to buff PVE only they even said it themselves yet everything on global labs h

got pvp buff litterally everything!

I'm an awk ranger player i get my class doesnt exist but they just made it not exist to an insane degree!!!!!

Pve balance should be within 10% max class to class this is not the case with the following classes now being giga left behind. I might miss one but I think I got em all.

1. Awk drak

2. Warrior 

3. Awk ranger

4. Awk kuno 

5. Archer( maybe)

The new global labs patch is COOKED

Class balance is now even worse then it was before the updates started ! In both PVE and PVP!

How hard is it for devs to use programming to track how much trash classes are making take the average and buff or nerf based on that ????

The only thing that should effect trash differences should be things like mobility or small differences in attack speed stuff like that  but no instead we got classes outperforming people in pve by like 30% wtf are we doing!!!! 

All i can say, before class balance we had broken deadeye damage.  We also had very good classes like awk dk, succ lahn, succ ninja.  We had very bad classes like kuno, succ ranger, succ valk, succ nova.   And many classes were pretty close to each other +- not more than 10% difference. But after this class balance I even don't know. They buffed already good classes, nerfed bad classes, and slightly buffed other classes. The difference in pve power between classes is insane today.

The main goal of  class balance is  to give a solid  boost to classes, that are currently underperforming in PvE.  We clearly buffed weaker classes and  toned down overpowered ones.

I got you.  No questions =)

I won't comment on the specific changes made– best to let the dust settle– but I'll say at this time that the way these changes were made was a poor choice.  Big shifts on only a handful of classes at a time, making players of those classes feel either elated or devistated.  Reverting the positive changes to make everyone devistated or angry.  Making changes that seems to go against how the community collectively views things.  So much changed so quickly that it will be hard to determine which changes had the right or wrong effect.  What a mess.

Define a clear baseline to aim for.  Buff as much as possible, nerf only when needed.  Smaller changes over time, so the effects of each change can be studied more clearly.  Listening to the server's community (and not just a server's community) to inform changes.  These feel like better approaches.

(I wish I had enough confidence in their ability to balance to ask for separate balancing across servers.  Done well, a tailored meta for each server would make players in those communities happier while also giving multiple spaces to test changes.  Done by PA given this showing, it would be a greater nightmare.)

What evidence gave you the impression that they ever did? how long u been playing again?

Maybe? Dude, archer has been behind everyone since 2020! HELLO! For the past 5 years we've only been losing what little we had. And now we have nothing at all. Literally. They took away even stamina that we already had for 15-20 seconds kite. And after the latest patches we have become much worse than we were before the patches. Although before the patches it was hard to imagine where EVEN worse it could be. But PA did it. Welcome to the club.

It's like they took the top classes doing 1000, dropped them down to 800. Then took a bunch of classes to 1500, then nerfed them to 1200. Then the classes that were doing 600 they left alone or nerfed to 500. Whatever metrics they used to buff/nerf classes makes no sense to the actual playerbase.

struck a nerve I did LOL

but in all seriousness Im talking specifically about your PVE I know your PVP was nerfed.  PVE I dont play archer so Im not sure how bad your doing since I think you got a buff although smaller now after the nerfs.

but the point is theres at least prob like 8 classes that have now been left in the dust!!! while classes that were litterally fine or broken are now 30% over the ones left behind its a joke. 

at first I was defending thier changes because they8 were immidately nerfing everyone while only were nerfing over performers minus like a couple classes who the devs just hate. like mine. but now Im positive their not looking at any trash values and are winging it or relying on some content creator to show thier numbers to get things nerfed for them and frankly its rediculous. 

how hard is it to program a way to track the average of a classes trash and get within 5% for all the classes in the game for a  more challenging tower spot!
its insane how bad the balance is and this was supposed to improve it yet they made the gap even bigger!!!!

Just tweak the numbers. Pick a few grind spots and normalize the damage based on a target loot number and class type. How hard is that?? Why are you instead going around BUTCHERING classes that had no business being butchered? Congratulations you made ranger unplayable when it was already half dead! Awake nova was OP in PvP but nobody asked to make it unplayable. Just tone down the SA buff, vacuums, grab, etc. In PvE who cares if novas are making more loot (I don't think they've even been meta since elvia)? If a nova player can pull that off they deserve it. Why are you making it move like an old grandma in a wheelchair? What kind of crack are you guys smoking?

I had to laugh when I saw Striker got buffs on Thursday......

And all this time, I've been asking PA to make Succ Valk competative in PvE...... guess she is now, but not the way I had in mind......