both specs deal too much damage and are destroying pvp along with awak sage and gaunlets

Their self PvP damage is like that of Sage, Witch, and Striker. If you think Hashashin needs a nerf, then they need to nerf all the other classes too. Or maybe you just don’t have the right PvP crystal setup.

Sage Succession with full evasion gear destroys everything and takes zero damage from others — only high accuracy players can kill that Sage.

Hashashin is actually one of the more balanced classes in terms of damage and defense. If you build him for defense, you won’t be one-comboing anyone. If you build him for AP, congrats — you’re a one-hit wonder.

But with Sage Succession, you go full evasion and still one-combo everything. Nice. :D

And Awakening Sage is supposedly 'out of meta,' yet it still deals way too much damage. ;)

Bro if you think succession sage is a problem to fight you should uninstall the game.

What I mean is that Sage is already strong enough on its own, just like Hashashin. If Hashashin needs a nerf, then every class should be nerfed — because with the right gear or skill setup, every class can be strong or weak. If you don’t know how to counter a class with gear or skills, then maybe don’t talk about nerfs or buffs.

Dont get me wrong. I wouldnt mind seeing striker and sage nerfs. atleast to their awakening specs.

Devs  cant nerf their striker, this is impossible, he only can get buffs. But mystic they will nerf, she was dead for years and will be dead again, I am sure, just wait for PVP balance.

Not really, many classes are just good or unplayable. But zerk, striker and mystic  need nerf 1000000%, they are too broken. Especially striker, who is broken for the last 7+ years and didn't get any nerf.  Awk sage, awk maegu, hash, they need slight nerfs. For example awk sage  before any changes was a good class, but after their "pve changes"  he become broken in PVP. So roll back changes and class will be good enough. But  I know our developers very weel, they can kill awk sage and buff striker  =))))

This man is stuck in the past. Awakening Sage and both hash specs are new fotm along with all the old top performers that haven't been nerfed out of the spotlight.

A lot of people are saying awk hash needs a nerf but i don't really see what they would nerf.

His CCs are either unprotected or slow
His burst damage is either stationary, backloaded, or unprotected

His AoEs are small to medium range

His preawk kit does little damage after all the nerfs to crit rate and PvP damage
He runs out of stam
His long distance movement cooldowns are very long (18s on paradise and 14s on shadow slicer, 20s on mirage assault),
His grab is very punishable,
He has 0 dedicated iframes (that is iframes that you can press at a moments notice that are not movement related) and very limited iframe options
He has many gaps (silent breach, sand slicer, purge, every tab cancel, every preawk c swap cancel, piercing fang, rupture, aal's dominion collapse/duneslash if they arent core'd)
He has many punishable forward guards
He can't heal out of combat
He provides 0 team utility

Overall, yes he is a strong class but he can be dealt with

The only thing that i can see as a massive issue that should be addressed is the preawk quick sand 100 during node wars. A massive aoe vaccum that hit stutters and has multi-tick CCs is egregious powerful even if he isnt the one dealing damage, genuninely just better than succ zerker 100. Well that and evasion being usable on him but that's more of a system problem more than a hash problem.