1. NO

2. Good change would solve a lot of problems, but I would make the channel swapping be tied to no outgoing damage for 60 seconds, and any Red player is stuck with the 15 minute CD to prevent it as a way to "escape" punishment should a stronger player show up after a Red player has been "naughty".

3. NO, with a decent horse and Manos Riding Crop you can cross from Shakatu to Odraxxia in 10m no need to make the world smaller.

No problem not solved.

The only way I think a GM should get involved, is if people lower their gear score by taking gear off.  In fact I think Karma should be tied to the highest level gear that player has had equipped on that account in the past hour accross any character to prevent this rather than having GMs get involved.

Everything else I agree with, the chat channels could use some form of monitoring.  If someone is speed hacking, yeah get the GMs involved.  But grind spot disputes, the GMs should stay out of it.  The Gear stripping should be addressed by game mechanics changes not by GM involvement.

I agree with you.  They should simply eliminate the gear gap calculations in karma losses.   so easily abused

Did hell freeze over, we don't agree on anything.  Quick tell me to go to Arsha or the world will end :)

I must admit. A well written topic. Even I was thinking about several things Kp mentioned. The bounty system as I have said in another older post may not be the perfect addition, because I fear that because of today's current situation of the game's mechanics this might actually backfire(also didn't shed more light, why I think that). And I hope I am not right.

Let me think again: No with all three. But instead on 2, I would go for a 5 min CD.

Indeed.

Looks like we finally came to a common ground. Here. Have a cookie(like) from me. ;) This is what I was trying to say, but I won't say more, since it's a different topic about this.

"Go to Arsha!" :P :D

I don't completely agree with all the solutions in this thread. But I totally agree that the system needs a change. Every game has player behaviour issues and 9 times out of 10 it can be alleviated by game mechanics. BDO's PVP mechanics, like OP said, aren't tailored towards a western playerbase. We're a lot more individualistic where Asian people are a little more collectivist in mentality. You see it in every game. EU/NA players want to make big plays and be a hero. East Asian players want their team to win. Not to say you don't get people who have an opposite mentality to the majority in their culture.

I'm not really sure how you solve the issue though. I could see a shorter or no cooldown on server swapping helping a bit. I'm someone who will usually swap servers before trying to contest a spot. But if I have limited time and a 15 minute cooldown, I'm going to try and get a spot.

Maybe having a few servers that are a half way house between Arsha and regular servers could work. You still have karma losses but they're not affected by gear disparity and the karma loss is reduced by 50% or more.

Right now, if you end up in a position of having limited time and you want to contest a spot, your best bet is to have enough DP to not get fed to mobs and just grind over people. Flagging up to contest a spot often just makes people dig their heels in and karma bomb you so it's quite ineffective. Dueling for spot relies on both participants agreeing to duel and honour the outcome. Grinding over someone has no downside other than a bit of lost efficiency. But if you didn't have a spot to begin with, 50% efficiency is better than 0.

Of course, if I have a 15 minute cooldown and plenty of time, I'll just go make imperial crates for a bit while I wait for the cooldown. But most people have busy lives and want to make the most of their play time. I don't blame people for contesting spots.

Well now, there's the real kicker isn't it? This is not a western game. This is a Korean game.

Why should they have to completely change their game just to fit some westerners ideals?

You choose to play a KR game, so you should be the one to adapt.

Yes, they do adapt many aspects to accomodate the western audience, but that by no means they have to, nor should they, abandon their identities and embedded cultural aspects of their gaming culture just because some westerners don't want to adapt.   How about the west adapt eastwards for once and stop trying to change the core nature of a game that you chose to play for what it was?  I sincerely hope PearlAbyss diggs in their heels and stands fast against such "cancels" of a gaming genre and style that has withstood the test of time and endured all the hardships of the gaming industry now for 20 years+, and carry on with their traditions.

If I wanted to play a "western" game, there's plenty to choose from; but I don't. I wanted to play an Eastern-made game, and that's one reason I chose BlackDesert.  This anti-open-world-pvp-bandwagon has been going on for 5 years now, and yet,...we still have full-open-pvp, and I hope it stays that way.

*coffee sip*

TLDR - Stop trying to change the core nature of the game.  If you're afraid of getting PK'd then stay in a "safe" zone.  Likewise, if you don't like the harsh-penalties for pk'ing someone, then don't pk other players.

Honestly the "westernizing" of BDO has led to the horrible Karma system we have now.  I wish they never would have changed it.  PvP Death literally means nothing now.

It would then requier to have a lot of different channel with different rules set for that diversity.  Imagine how somes try to fight as hard as they can the reccurent  pve channel request because it doesnt match "their BDO vision"

I will then let you imagine how its going be to if you want to please every type of consideration regarding what to do in a X or Y griefing situation, which totaly depend of a player idea.

Like for one player pk without a word could not be griefing, but it could be for the dfs players as exemple.

But its interesting to note that the only common denominator for all thoses disagrement is : the open world pvp happening when player are progressing in area not correctly welcoming everyone willing to use them.

If you dont change the wobbly fundation, you will always end in the same situation

Thank you, Mr. Ambassador.  I agree.

Not to say, however, that certain things couldn't be adjusted to fit the Western audience more.  We are their top revenue region, so from a fiscal standpoint, keeping their most profitable region happy should be among their top priorities (IMO).  Personally, I'd rather not see huge changes, like full PVE server in BDO, but smaller things to help the PvP-averse could be implemented.  Karma was introduced for this very reason, and for those averse to OWPVP, I'm sure there are things that could help their experience if it really is as bad as some people make it out to be.  I play BDO for the fact it's quite different than other popular MMO's, like you and many others here. but is not to say that some things couldn't be improved. 

Always room for improvement!

IE:  As a contribution to the side of players who are new and not yet ready for PVP, what would you think of this?  Just trying to gain some perspective, just an idea that popped into my head today.

- If a player is wearing full Narchillian Gear, they cannot be attacked via PvP.  Has to be full Narc Gear, however, since it would prevent the exploitation / unfair use of it (IE: wear one Narc piece to grind Orc Camp to prevent being attacked).  This way, new players who will be donning Narchillian Gear, can rest assured they can settle in this game until they're ready to don Boss Gear and join the rest of us.