Dear PA, this isn't "trainers content" and yet you advertised it as such.

Trainers content is meant for those who have actively put in the effort to "train" or do horse-related content. 

What am I "protesting" and how? It's the T10 mythical horse enchantment system and I'm refusing to spend money on BDO until this system is fixed or I'm able to get my own.
And fyi, I know this won't affect bdo, it's a personal protest that no one has to join if they don't want to. 

Why T10, in it's current state, isn't for horse trainers:

1.) There is only two items used for t10 enhancing that is actually gained through trainer content. And neither of them are the most important items. One of them is the feather, for horse racing. The other requires you to sell a horse level 15+, something anyone who buys a horse can do.
2.) The T10 system doesn't reward trainers for investing into training - What we have now does near nothing to help gurus or masters, people who have had to invest decently into horse content to reach such lifeskill levels. The only thing we have is royal fern roots, the main issue of many, increased insignificantly for dailies depending on levels. This is not rewarding, it does not adequately translate the amount of effort required to reach said levels.
3.) Anyone can get it, and we see a large amount who have gotten it to be non-horse trainers. - If it was designed for horse trainers, we would see a greater % of higher end horse trainers with t10 compared to lower end trainers with t10. We are even seeing people with multiple T10s emerge. 

Demands from horse trainers - Make the T10 content for trainers. / How to make it more balanced
It's a rare rng item, I don't expect that to change and PA has made this clear. What we demand is for this content to actually act like it's for trainers.
Some ideas include:
 
1.) Adequately dispurse Royal Fern Roots per trainer level from daily.
We have had multiple discussions in the trainer community how this could look:
Beginner / Apprentice: 1 Fern 
Skilled / Professional: 2 Ferns
Artisan: 3 Ferns 
Master 1-10: 4 Ferns
Master 11-20: 6 Ferns
Master 21-30: 8 Ferns 
Guru 1-10: 10 Ferns
Guru 11-20: 15 Ferns
Guru 21-30: 20 Ferns
Guru 31-40: 25 Ferns
Guru 41-50: 30 Ferns
! Reminder: If you think it's over powered, remind yourself guru 50 takes 62,000+ active training hours with no buffs from beginner 1. Need proof? Copy this xp calculator for yourself : Trainer XP Sheet (New Window)

2.) (Optional) Make T10 only attemptable at Artisan 1 minimum
(Edited it to account for alt trainers)

3.) Add failstacks for higher trainers.
Anywhere from 1~.1% bonus per fail for Artisan, Master, Guru
Artisan: +1% base for trainer level bonus
Master: +4% base for trainer level bonus
Guru: +5% base for trainer level bonus

4.) Add more TRAINER methods to obtain Royal Fern Roots
A. Placing 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in horse races.
1st Place: 3x Royal Fern Root
2nd Place: 2x Royal Fern Root
3rd Place: 1x Royal Fern Root

B. Randomly when taming horses - should be higher rate of achieving when higher training.
Not extremely rare, but similar to rates of sharps/hards when lifeskilling. This would also require PA to make spawn timers of horses better, but more people would actively participate.

C. Randomly when imperial delivering horses, increased chance in higher training levels and higher tier horses and higher level of horse

D. Daily horse race quest for guaranteed ferns - Similar to #1


5.) Add TRAINER method to guarantee success rate
In global lab, there was a way to 100% get it through saving up mats. Well, what if this stayed and was only available for the top trainers?
Guru 1+ ONLY 
Saving up 3,000x royal ferns could give "pity" item, granting 100% success rate to gurus
Proof of concept from Global Lab: 



EDIT: Also, a suggestion of many t10 owners! Please fix the issue where t10 arduanautt falls in mid flight. It's very persistant in everyday rides/flying.

Example: 
Thank you to Nick of the Horse Community for supplying this

I disagree with this, only because I think you should only obtain ferns from Artisan 1+ and only attemptable/rideable from Artisan 5+

Because most people who aren't trainers will still have Art1 for Auto-sprint. Maybe this sounds like "I'm better than you." for all non horse trainers, but I don't think Artisan 1 represents the Horse Trainer community.

Agreed with the fs. Though I personally don't think it will make any difference...Dream horse awakening has fs and we still see players with 40+ fs. Edit: Of course failstacks would help, it would be something but It's wrong to think adding fs alone would fix the system. Because that system already exists for Dream Awakening and it has no consideration for Trainer rank or mastery. Unless it was implemented as Kuro suggested.

Id rather get 1 fern root per completion box tbh. Or daily quest to exchange 20 amounts of Old Moon Prix Coins for a 5 ferns.

No more randomly. RNG bad! I'd rather we could get a daily quest to exchange, breed or level up horses over x tier.

Yes, a guaranteed method for Top Trainers but I think the entry level of Guru is too high. I would say Master 10+

And the amount of ferns needed should be at least require 8+ months of work. Reward effort PA, not luck.

This of course, as well as the possiblity to do attemps instead of saving.

On other T10 Topics:

Mythical Dine should NOT use ferns. People who already got their Mythical Arduanatt have been saving ferns and they have a headstart.

Your reasoning of "Not making it too good so players don't feel forced to get it" in regards to other Mythicals is bad.

VERY IMPORTANT:

Do NOT let players who say "Oh but that's unfair, I already got mine. Such change would piss me off." prevent you from making changes. Everyone agrees that this sytems is badly designed for all the reasons mentioned by Kuro initially. Just like the changes made to Camouflage suit and the Infinite Potion pieces, this needs to be changed and not "to make it easier" but to adjust the content to the appropriate audience and make it more engaging than just "log in everyday for a 5min daily and make an attempt every 2 weeks"

Edit: The best way to go about it is to make changes and then bring back this Training event. [Events] Taming the Dream | Black Desert NA/EU/OC (playblackdesert.com) } Actually keeping everyone happy is impossible, but this would make up for the lack of more engaging ways to get ferns in all this time.

As someone with 40 fails on T10 now, I agree how this system feels awful.

A base chance without fail stacks means I basically start over every two weeks, no recognition of the past effort put in. I know a lot of people are not looking favorably on T9 fail stacks, but that is better than none at all and since it is T10, it should be slightly higher than what T9 get for a fail.

Timegating one of the materials feels awful in its current state. When we had the event in December 2021 I got 11 ferns per day for a while - which felt much, much better - I still couldn't attempt as much as I wanted to, but at least there was not a two week wait. Speaking of, this is a grinding game, no? Why can't I grind for this item if I so desire? Getting ferns from imperial delivery, taming and registering horses or as part of racing rewards would be only right to support the statement of this being trainer content.

While I do not agree on gatekeeping through high training levels, I can see where it comes from - training mastery is not what anyone wants it to be (too little for too much silver for a lifeskill that isn't known for their high income without swiping to begin with), leveling training takes a lot of time / effort (depending if you get most of your exp from afk riding or taming) and many people who love horses feel unrecognized, unrewarded and even insulted, when PA claims T10 was supposed to be high end training content - no, it is not.

Having the option to tap a guaranteed T10 after one year of effort? I wish - I would have spent the year doing the same I already did, but looking forward to my reward at the end. Currently I just take a quick glance at my inventory, oh, xy ferns, hmkay takes another few days of dailies and go loop or log out. I've set myself multiple goals over the last year since I had a hunch T10 alone would be too frustrating and it kept me busy - now that I finished them the frustration takes over again. Ever since T10 Diné got announced I was afraid of its release, what if it uses ferns too? What if they don't increase the amount I can get? Will I ever get one?

I know this is a game favoring gambling / rng and I know a lot has been done to alleviate the frustration coming with it - please PA, hear us out and give us the option to reach our goals (T10 in this case) with effort and not just rng.

No one cares as long as the gold T8 is locked behind a p2w wall.

"Trainers content is meant for those who have actively put in the effort to "train" or do horse-related content."

I absolutely agree with your statement. I'm no expert at all on horsing about, so will leave the finer points, details and suggestions up to you and others who have more experience.

Getting coursers makes no difference when it comes to Mythical. Plenty of people just buy the dream horses to do their attempts and no coupons are needed. So while you are trying to bring in a whole can of worms, your point is invalid here.

Why they NEED to buy? Why they can't just get it?

Which is why no one cares about this topic, as 99.99% of players end up having T8.

My friend has been playing since bdo premiere and ... still trying to get Dream Horse.

T10 is a completely absurd. Pearl Abyss will never do anything to make the players more enjoyable.

And when I saw that Dine T10 looks like s., I regrets spending 9b on a female (I have a male from a shakatu box).

I have mats for two attempts on T10 and these will be the only ones I will do.

There are players who care, and because you stand on the other side of the fence where YOU don't care. Doesn't give you the right to diminish the rest of opinions. But we appreciate the thread bumps, even if it's pure negativity :)

Salamandar just hates BDO, he constantly tries to shit on every suggestion.  Don't take what he says as a serious attempt at discourse.

As for the Original Topic.  The current system is fine, but they need a way to hammer the attempts instead of time gating it if they are going to keep it.  What you suggested is a bit much, rather they should make something that is repeatable one after the other that isn't like the Mythical Feather where it "can" be gotten from gathering Lakario roots.  Maybe they could add it where if you imperial a Courser you get fern root T1&T2 gives 1, T3 gives 2, T4 gives 4, T5 gives 8, T6 gives 16, T7 gives 32, T8 gives 64.  Maybe they could add Fern root (and the new Dine materials) to the Imperial Training Deliver Notice.  They need to do something because locking it behind a daily and require 2 weeks between attempts without a fail stack is dogshit.