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RNG. Explain it to me like I am 5.
12 févr. 2021, 03:57 (UTC)
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Dernière modification : 12 févr. 2021, 03:57 (UTC)
# 1

 This is the one feature of BDO where nobody was able to explain how it works exactly and we never got an official response from the staff.

 Now that we are switching from Kakao to Pearl Abyss I think a member of staff should make some light from this point of view. 

There is a google doc online from 2019, but by the time you finish to read it you will have a brain aneurysm and you will be left with a twitching eye for life.

I will write down an example of RNG and I need someone to explain me how the RNG worked for me and how the RNG worked for my party member. 

 This test was done with the same person in party, 5 hours a day at Turos for a whole week.

Total of 35 hours of grinding.

ME - Kama blessing - 20%, Ecology - 20%, Arctic Fox T4 - 4%, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 5 - 5% = TOTAL 99% Item drop rate

HIM - No Kama blessing, Ecology 10%, No Arctic Fox, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 2 - 2% = TOTAL 62% Item drop rate

Both of us with nodes lvl 10.

I will count only the rare drops, Embers, Leafs and Belts. 

 

ME 99% DROP RATE - 85 Embers, 4 Belts, 18 Leafs

HIM 62% DROP RATE - 120 Embers, 9 Belts, 27 Leafs

 

 Now when i look at those numbers it doesn't make any sense. 

 This is just my opinion buti'm startingto believe that the RNG is setup on account and the buffs that we get ingame have little to no effect. 

 The difference between me and my party member is that i'm playing for over 3 years and he started less than a year ago. 

 Some other thing that i've noticed is that accounts under 6 months are hitting TET's and PEN's easy. 

Where I can raise my FS to over 120 on TET's easy, some players are making TET's with 70-80 FS. 

 

This is not a complaint, I already have end game gear, I've learned the hard way that for me grinding and buying from the market is a better option :) 

 

 Now I'm just curious if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The numbers are in my favor but the final outcome says I earned less than my buddy. 

 

So is there anyone from the staff that has an actual explanation on how the RNG works in BDO? 

 

Dernière modification : 12 févr. 2021, 07:19 (UTC)
# 2

Bigandshiny well explained google sheet.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1tYZ4u5Q3DY0_I645y9OUBg0OTOK-pX7xqOKHfh286BY/edit

Watch out of about Negativity bias and Confirmation Bias
We are not Statistic. We are not average, We are Special. we are Data Sample.


You will only see your 32% advantage over your friends in at least 229-458 hours of grinding.

Dernière modification : 12 févr. 2021, 13:08 (UTC)
# 3

In the BDO world, I am one of those players who has seen the worst of the RNG statistics. 

 

Ill save you the long story about this one; and how I got here. I failed TRI -> TET manos accessories 18 times in a row. 

 

Thats a 15% chance with the conc magic black stones, no stacks required. The accessories were purchased at around 3b, 750m. So I went through 68 billion silver and got nothing. Thats RNG, there's always a chance to fail. 

 

Ive done this RNG crime more than once. 

Dernière modification : 12 févr. 2021, 13:39 (UTC)
# 4

It's pretty easy to explain. Some players are predestined to succeed on easy street. While others are predestined to struggle and fail over and over. Just don't believe the number that are shown to you. Instead take the numbers you are shown and cut it any multiple of times. That one piece you grabbed. is more than likely closer your real chance to succeed then the number that is shown.

 

I'm pretty sure most sensible people here can agree. We the players are not shown the final %. We are being shown a % in the middle of the process and not the ending %. Basically a play on numbers and words. They are showing you part of the conclusion just not the whole of it.

 

Which is why you have situations where Jake succeeds 4 PEN accessories back to back to back to back with a 50 stacks. Meanwhile Mike will fail TET accessories 30 times in a row starting at a 70 stack. It's what you should expect in the Wild Wild West of gaming where there is little regulation on gaming scamming.

Dernière modification : 12 févr. 2021, 23:19 (UTC)
# 5

It's already confirmed that the chances are (in many fields) are fake, and are only here to lure people into gambling. +hidden modifiers for certian people.

 

 

Dernière modification : 13 févr. 2021, 03:58 (UTC)
# 6
On: Feb 12, 2021, 13:08 (UTC), Written by ArchaicTri

In the BDO world, I am one of those players who has seen the worst of the RNG statistics. 

 

Ill save you the long story about this one; and how I got here. I failed TRI -> TET manos accessories 18 times in a row. 

 

Thats a 15% chance with the conc magic black stones, no stacks required. The accessories were purchased at around 3b, 750m. So I went through 68 billion silver and got nothing. Thats RNG, there's always a chance to fail. 

 

Ive done this RNG crime more than once. 

It's 1/20 that it will happen. It might seem impossible but when you do the math you see that it's not uncommon. You were unlucky, yes, but not terribly so. It's not 1/100 or something unreasonable like 1/10000. Still, however, 1/10000 with hundreds of thousands of players rolling die all day... that not uncommon for a low probability like that to stick it's face up all around for those players.

Manos accessories and clothes are infamous for this, because they lure you in with what seems like a fairly high percentage but as it turns out they're not easy at all. The clothes difficulty are particularly obscured because of the successive rolls without security. It's very difficult succeeding a roll series like that to pen.

 

On: Feb 12, 2021, 13:39 (UTC), Written by FearlessZ

It's pretty easy to explain. Some players are predestined to succeed on easy street. While others are predestined to struggle and fail over and over. Just don't believe the number that are shown to you. Instead take the numbers you are shown and cut it any multiple of times. That one piece you grabbed. is more than likely closer your real chance to succeed then the number that is shown.

 

I'm pretty sure most sensible people here can agree. We the players are not shown the final %. We are being shown a % in the middle of the process and not the ending %. Basically a play on numbers and words. They are showing you part of the conclusion just not the whole of it.

 

Which is why you have situations where Jake succeeds 4 PEN accessories back to back to back to back with a 50 stacks. Meanwhile Mike will fail TET accessories 30 times in a row starting at a 70 stack. It's what you should expect in the Wild Wild West of gaming where there is little regulation on gaming scamming.

This doesn't make any sense to me at all. Or like, I sometimes have these ideas that it's all rigged or whatever.. And I know that's complete nonsense but when I'm having bad luck I start looking for reasons and since there are none, cuz it just rng, I invent them.

Dernière modification : 13 févr. 2021, 04:27 (UTC)
# 7
On: Feb 12, 2021, 03:57 (UTC), Written by Vicious

Now I'm just curious if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The numbers are in my favor but the final outcome says I earned less than my buddy. 

Have you ever rolled a die, winning on 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6, and still lost?

It's all very random.

It's 1/36 that you'd roll 1 again. Possible, that could occur. Not uncommon. To do it again is more difficult, of course, 1/216. Still not outrageous, that can absolutely happen!

The results you think you have gotten here are less covering than you think. Bdo progression is measured in months, mostly; at least I think of it like that, and your series is very short, only a week of drops from only two people. Overall, if you have higher drop, you'll get more loot. Same is true for damage. More damage equals more loot, on average. It shows very clearly with damage though and subtly with changing the drop values.

There's simply no way for you to see this, because it's stretching across months and years and it becomes impossible to remember what happened prior. And not for me either! No one can. Probability is foreign to the brain, because nothing else works like that (despite the universe being built by a quantum microverse that very much seem probability based). Water always boils at the same temperature at a certain pressure, it always happens like that. Trees always wave in the wind, it not random ffs! So we can't understand probability, and when we confront it we try and make sense of it as if we could know what it would be before it was... And with that I mean: "I feel lucky.." meaning you believe in a success for no reason other than you wanting it to happen.

There's lot to be said about probability.

Having said this: I too have all kinds of tinfoil ideas floating around my cloudy mind. They're false, I think, but I can't shake the notion that they might be true.

Dernière modification : 13 févr. 2021, 04:50 (UTC)
# 8
On: Feb 12, 2021, 03:57 (UTC), Written by Vicious

 This is the one feature of BDO where nobody was able to explain how it works exactly and we never got an official response from the staff.

 Now that we are switching from Kakao to Pearl Abyss I think a member of staff should make some light from this point of view. 

There is a google doc online from 2019, but by the time you finish to read it you will have a brain aneurysm and you will be left with a twitching eye for life.

I will write down an example of RNG and I need someone to explain me how the RNG worked for me and how the RNG worked for my party member. 

 This test was done with the same person in party, 5 hours a day at Turos for a whole week.

Total of 35 hours of grinding.

ME - Kama blessing - 20%, Ecology - 20%, Arctic Fox T4 - 4%, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 5 - 5% = TOTAL 99% Item drop rate

HIM - No Kama blessing, Ecology 10%, No Arctic Fox, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 2 - 2% = TOTAL 62% Item drop rate

Both of us with nodes lvl 10.

I will count only the rare drops, Embers, Leafs and Belts. 

 

ME 99% DROP RATE - 85 Embers, 4 Belts, 18 Leafs

HIM 62% DROP RATE - 120 Embers, 9 Belts, 27 Leafs

 

 Now when i look at those numbers it doesn't make any sense. 

 This is just my opinion buti'm startingto believe that the RNG is setup on account and the buffs that we get ingame have little to no effect. 

 The difference between me and my party member is that i'm playing for over 3 years and he started less than a year ago. 

 Some other thing that i've noticed is that accounts under 6 months are hitting TET's and PEN's easy. 

Where I can raise my FS to over 120 on TET's easy, some players are making TET's with 70-80 FS. 

 

This is not a complaint, I already have end game gear, I've learned the hard way that for me grinding and buying from the market is a better option :) 

 

 Now I'm just curious if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The numbers are in my favor but the final outcome says I earned less than my buddy. 

 

So is there anyone from the staff that has an actual explanation on how the RNG works in BDO? 

 

RNG means that most numbers are ultimately meaningless. The best way to approach RNG is to accept that you have a 0% chance at everything. Once you believe that, everything good you got is a gift.

Dernière modification : 14 févr. 2021, 13:07 (UTC)
# 9

Did you ever hear the story of Procrustes bed? It's a character from Greek mythology. He enticed travelers and offered them the hospitality of his home. Once in the house, Procrustes forced them to sleep on a copper made bed. When the traveler was shorter than the bed, Procrustes stretched his body, pulling his hands and feet until he lay just right on the bed. If the guest was longer than the bed, Procust cut off his head or legs. Obviously, in any case, the outcome was the death of the unlucky traveler. 

I believe the same thing is with the game's drop rate. Indeed one's can have a higher drop rate or lower one, but how many turo belts game let to be dropped, no matter the condition before the market will be flooded? The game could actually limit the number of items to be obtained in-game and, considering you had a party, doesn't matter who got them, maybe. You just had the bad luck of laying on the Procrustes bed, my friend. It's just my opinion on many years of playing a game like this and other MMOs.  

Dernière modification : 14 févr. 2021, 23:16 (UTC)
# 10
On: Feb 12, 2021, 03:57 (UTC), Written by Vicious

 This is the one feature of BDO where nobody was able to explain how it works exactly and we never got an official response from the staff.

 Now that we are switching from Kakao to Pearl Abyss I think a member of staff should make some light from this point of view. 

There is a google doc online from 2019, but by the time you finish to read it you will have a brain aneurysm and you will be left with a twitching eye for life.

I will write down an example of RNG and I need someone to explain me how the RNG worked for me and how the RNG worked for my party member. 

 This test was done with the same person in party, 5 hours a day at Turos for a whole week.

Total of 35 hours of grinding.

ME - Kama blessing - 20%, Ecology - 20%, Arctic Fox T4 - 4%, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 5 - 5% = TOTAL 99% Item drop rate

HIM - No Kama blessing, Ecology 10%, No Arctic Fox, Blue LS - 50%, Luck LvL 2 - 2% = TOTAL 62% Item drop rate

Both of us with nodes lvl 10.

I will count only the rare drops, Embers, Leafs and Belts. 

 

ME 99% DROP RATE - 85 Embers, 4 Belts, 18 Leafs

HIM 62% DROP RATE - 120 Embers, 9 Belts, 27 Leafs

 

 Now when i look at those numbers it doesn't make any sense. 

 This is just my opinion buti'm startingto believe that the RNG is setup on account and the buffs that we get ingame have little to no effect. 

 The difference between me and my party member is that i'm playing for over 3 years and he started less than a year ago. 

 Some other thing that i've noticed is that accounts under 6 months are hitting TET's and PEN's easy. 

Where I can raise my FS to over 120 on TET's easy, some players are making TET's with 70-80 FS. 

 

This is not a complaint, I already have end game gear, I've learned the hard way that for me grinding and buying from the market is a better option :) 

 

 Now I'm just curious if there is a reasonable explanation for this. The numbers are in my favor but the final outcome says I earned less than my buddy. 

 

So is there anyone from the staff that has an actual explanation on how the RNG works in BDO? 

 

 

you have already been milked, your friend not so much yet, the only thing that matters is the release date of Project BBQ, wich will allow me and my friends and most likely many others to finally move away from this game :)

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