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Why is Serpent so low accuracy?
2 juin 2021, 23:54 (UTC)
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Dernière modification : 5 juin 2021, 20:53 (UTC)
# 11
On: Jun 5, 2021, 11:01 (UTC), Written by Ancient

Pro tip, if you go evasion, serpent stops hitting you.

Is that why you have named yourself over this skill? Because it is so bad? Yeah, not. Stop pretending that the skill is shit. It's one of the most brutal skills in the game and everyone knows it. I have 700 sheet evasion and more with abilities and serpents can shred through me like i was some level 50 player with clean taritas armor that just finished the first main quest-line. Adding a PEN centaur to hit 740ish sheet eva is not gonna change the fact the skill is brutal. If you don't want to admit to it, I could care less, the only thing I care about is people reading this thread not knowing better, they can see a second opinion about this "weak skill".

Dernière modification : 6 juin 2021, 23:27 (UTC)
# 12
On: Jun 3, 2021, 19:19 (UTC), Written by Xenon

I bet if they did give Hash our serpent, it'd have 15% accuracy mod and a 10% eva debuff attached to it. Lmao

funny thing is, since hashashin awak have 10% accuracy as passive and succession have 15% as passive while both have 9% accuracy active buff, a serpent for hashashin would be by default with 19%-24% accuracy modifier with out any inner accuracy modifiers on the skill itself or addons (i dont count the 2% from Infinite Mastery since everyone have it).

on a more serious note, serpent is probably one the things that i dislike about ninja awakening because 60% of their damage is in that single skill - succession ninja approach for dmging makes much more sense since its spread over many of their skills for both burst and consistant damage.
to the op of the thread, get accuracy accessories or/and bhegs, you cant both be a 1shot class while also being tanky and very mobile, all the classes you referred to have other weaknesses that makes up for their higher accuracy rating.

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Dernière modification : 8 juin 2021, 10:36 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jun 6, 2021, 23:26 (UTC), Written by zxcvb1231

funny thing is, since hashashin awak have 10% accuracy as passive and succession have 15% as passive while both have 9% accuracy active buff, a serpent for hashashin would be by default with 19%-24% accuracy modifier with out any inner accuracy modifiers on the skill itself or addons (i dont count the 2% from Infinite Mastery since everyone have it).

on a more serious note, serpent is probably one the things that i dislike about ninja awakening because 60% of their damage is in that single skill - succession ninja approach for dmging makes much more sense since its spread over many of their skills for both burst and consistant damage.
to the op of the thread, get accuracy accessories or/and bhegs, you cant both be a 1shot class while also being tanky and very mobile, all the classes you referred to have other weaknesses that makes up for their higher accuracy rating.

I'm none of these things lmfao.

 

As for the "other weaknesses" of these classes, please give examples.

Dernière modification : 8 juin 2021, 10:44 (UTC)
# 16
On: Jun 5, 2021, 20:41 (UTC), Written by NomadicSabre

That's funny because hashashin does not have accuracy modifier on any skill only accuracy buffs on sand divider and inquisition. The only accuracy "Modifiers" is the accuracy passive. So I don't get what you're trying to be so smart over, you must have mixed hashashin with warrior. Or perhaps you just don't know anything about hashashin. And the only eva debuff it has is on duneslash flow. So yeah, keep one shotting people with your serpent ascensions buddy, enjoy the high-life while it lasts don't mind the downtrodden below you and quit making up skills that does not reflect the targeted class.

I'm not here to sh*t on ninja. I just want to call OP out for his ignorance about serpents, ninja is in a really really good spot right now and complaining about serpents is making a mockery of anyone even remotely slightly passionately caring about the games pvp balance.

You forgot the 15% accuracy passive on your class. You forgot the 9% accuracy buff on s+f and you also forgot the -15% evasion debuff on descent. You might wanna take a loot at your skill tree again. Theres a reason everyone and their grandmother plays hash, and there's less than 10 ninjas of note left.

Dernière modification : 17 juin 2021, 10:07 (UTC)
# 17

 

On: Jun 8, 2021, 10:44 (UTC), Written by Ancient

You forgot the 15% accuracy passive on your class. You forgot the 9% accuracy buff on s+f and you also forgot the -15% evasion debuff on descent. You might wanna take a loot at your skill tree again. Theres a reason everyone and their grandmother plays hash, and there's less than 10 ninjas of note left.

That's what happens when you use skillcalc to learn about other classes instead of actually knowing what you're talking about. Did you really try to smuggle 200% Descent's 15% evasion debuff into this conversation? I don't think he needs to take a look at the skill tree, I think you should stop trying to make dumb arguments with skillcalc open. Many 200%s in the game has debuffs. Are you complaining about them all? Have you ever seen 200% Descent used in any setting, or did you just hover over the skill and decided to complain about 200% having a debuff? Normal Descent has nothing. 

 

Serpent damage is absolutely bonkers, just get more accuracy. 

Countered by evasion btw? 
https://clips.twitch.tv/GiftedTastyParrotPlanking-eOKnwO43crC-qj8h

Just get accuracy accessories like a good little boy, get human damage gem setup and stop complaining. It's a balancing thing. If someone tells you "just get evasion, Serpent doesn't hit", they are morons.

Dernière modification : 25 juin 2021, 02:28 (UTC)
# 18
On: Jun 5, 2021, 20:41 (UTC), Written by NomadicSabre

That's funny because hashashin does not have accuracy modifier on any skill only accuracy buffs on sand divider and inquisition. The only accuracy "Modifiers" is the accuracy passive. So I don't get what you're trying to be so smart over, you must have mixed hashashin with warrior. Or perhaps you just don't know anything about hashashin. And the only eva debuff it has is on duneslash flow. So yeah, keep one shotting people with your serpent ascensions buddy, enjoy the high-life while it lasts don't mind the downtrodden below you and quit making up skills that does not reflect the targeted class.

I'm not here to sh*t on ninja. I just want to call OP out for his ignorance about serpents, ninja is in a really really good spot right now and complaining about serpents is making a mockery of anyone even remotely slightly passionately caring about the games pvp balance.

Warrior is pretty insane with how they get so much free accuracy and crit, aren't they? Anyway, my bad, bro. My cynicism was more directed towards how they build newer classes. I should have just directed it towards Sage, since that's more in line with my comparison, but still. You get all your accuracy frontloaded via passives, then more via buffs. 19% accuracy buff in awake, 24% in succ thanks to permanent uptime on Sand Divider buff as long as you're willing to use it. That's even better than having it inside of certain skills. Free 6% eva buff at all times just for using Sand Warp on top of a base 5% eva passive to all damage types. I'll grant you that both hashes have problems, but accuracy/damage and survivability/tankiness aren't them.

 

Oh, and I know they're retooling the first 17 classes in 4 months to be more in line with the new classes. I can't wait to see what they do. I'm just scared they'll screw it up and make certain classes more broken than post-buffs, pre-big nerf succ sage. I agree that awk Ninja is in a good spot rn, though I'm hoping the rework revitalizes the kit because everything outside of Serp, grab, Flashing Light, Shower, MI, and stance/silent charge are hot garbage and see next to no use in pvp unless you're trying to go for the style points route in a 1v1 combo. All that said, I am super happy with how the classe performs in pve now. If they make it even better with the revamp, I'll cream my pants.

 

On: Jun 6, 2021, 23:26 (UTC), Written by zxcvb1231

funny thing is, since hashashin awak have 10% accuracy as passive and succession have 15% as passive while both have 9% accuracy active buff, a serpent for hashashin would be by default with 19%-24% accuracy modifier with out any inner accuracy modifiers on the skill itself or addons (i dont count the 2% from Infinite Mastery since everyone have it).

on a more serious note, serpent is probably one the things that i dislike about ninja awakening because 60% of their damage is in that single skill - succession ninja approach for dmging makes much more sense since its spread over many of their skills for both burst and consistant damage.
to the op of the thread, get accuracy accessories or/and bhegs, you cant both be a 1shot class while also being tanky and very mobile, all the classes you referred to have other weaknesses that makes up for their higher accuracy rating.

Funnily enough, serpent, core shower, and stance dancing are why I can't justify playing succ over awake, even if I like the feeling of playing it more. I agree that Serpent's damage is way too much, and the damage should be spread to other skills, but I feel like that'll put Ninja in an awkward place in large scale. You need high burst damage in 1-2 skills to kill people reliably, or you run into tons of issues. The kit lacks the AOE of succ, which is why I can't justify the spread personally. Hell, it took them supercharging our pve dps and adding another aoe skill to make it better in pve than succ.

 

On: Jun 17, 2021, 10:03 (UTC), Written by Nabuchodonozord

 

That's what happens when you use skillcalc to learn about other classes instead of actually knowing what you're talking about. Did you really try to smuggle 200% Descent's 15% evasion debuff into this conversation? I don't think he needs to take a look at the skill tree, I think you should stop trying to make dumb arguments with skillcalc open. Many 200%s in the game has debuffs. Are you complaining about them all? Have you ever seen 200% Descent used in any setting, or did you just hover over the skill and decided to complain about 200% having a debuff? Normal Descent has nothing. 

 

Serpent damage is absolutely bonkers, just get more accuracy. 

Countered by evasion btw? 
https://clips.twitch.tv/GiftedTastyParrotPlanking-eOKnwO43crC-qj8h

Just get accuracy accessories like a good little boy, get human damage gem setup and stop complaining. It's a balancing thing. If someone tells you "just get evasion, Serpent doesn't hit", they are morons.

Skillcalc is an important part about understanding other kits, as long as you read and understand what the skills actually do instead of cherrypicking things. Not everybody has the time to play all the classes in the game, and some people don't have the ability to understand all the things going on around them just from dueling classes.

 

Yeah, Serpent damage is absolutely nuts! Just get more gear, pleb!

Choice isn't even 800 evasion. It's a hybrid build. A Ninja with a Turos belt can shred him, even more so with Lunar neck. If Choice was full specing for eva, he wouldn't die as easily. I went ahead and watched the rest of their fights from the clip onward, and there are some combos where Serpent tickles Choice, so it's definitely not as cut and dry as you think. Accuracy accessories are absolutely necessary to make the most out of Ninja's dps because he has low accuracy compared to classes like Hash, Sage, Guardian, or even succ Wiz. 

Ha, it's not a balancing thing anymore. It's issues from being an older classes, and lack of more balancing efforts. Newer classes ship with tons more accuracy/eva built in to function in our current stat meta, plus they have more buffs and debuffs built into their skills. Off the top of my head, I can't think of any attack/casting speed slows in Ninja's kit. I think you can take a Kunai for the paralyze thing which is a 15% debuff there, but it's bad to do that.

Dernière modification : 29 juin 2021, 23:52 (UTC)
# 19

Folks mostly summed it up.

 

It is 100% a balance based factor that forces us to decide on gearing choices. The second you hit that 500+ accuracy mark on awaken ninja, you literally hit the point where your damage peaks out like crazy. Stack that with human damage and accuarcy on skills/self acc buff isn't even a necessary thing to ask for.

 

The reality in the meta (at least on NA) is that, so many players push 750-800 eva and lack so much DR. The second you hit the 70-80% hit rate mark on a player, there is enough damage on serp to nuke them completely. The issue is the stubbornness of players not wanting to pump accuracy into their builds, which is what makes high eva/low DR players seem godlike. The reality is, they're squishy and evasion on the hybrid end, is EASILY outscaled, just by building right.

Dernière modification : 3 juil. 2021, 18:38 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jun 5, 2021, 20:24 (UTC), Written by Legacina

hashs shitty awak serpent coil that just tickles your sorry little ninja balls.

 

Don't change serpent coil, I like having my balls tickled XD

But yeah OP just needs more accuracy or if they're worried about protection, don't use an unprotected skill on non cc'ed enemies.

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