Black Desert Remasterizado

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1 Ejecuta BlackDesert_Installer_NAEU.exe para instalar el lanzador de Black Desert.

2 Una vez completada la instalación, empieza el juego.

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What is the goal of open world pvp in 2024?
17 abr. 2024, 01:38 (UTC)
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Última modificación : 28 abr. 2024, 23:03 (UTC)
# 181
On: Apr 27, 2024, 01:39 (UTC), Written by Formand

What KR input? You do realize KR thinks PA only listens to NA/EU, right? It's a myth from forum/reddit goblins that they only listen to KR because we can't make heads or tails of their nonsensical changes. KR players say they thought the same, but the other way around.

The changes weren't made based on KR's input; they were made because of the influx of Lost Ark players J wanted to desperately keep in the game, but it was hard to convince themepark MMO players to play openworld sandbox MMO like Black Desert. So he decided to gut the game, make company lose over 30% of its value, note the first ever January player drop (Winter is usually a huge spike...), and not recover any players since. And when he saw the Lost Ark players leaving (after he made p2w costume price change in the most shameless display of cashgrab), he didn't think that maybe the direction was wrong, he assumed he didn't do enough to keep those players in.


At this point, he doesn't care if everyone leaves. He just wants to bait new PvE players from other MMOs to play BDO and leave as little of PvP in the game as possible, because he thinks it'll scare them off. So now we have all the streamers dunking on BDO, saying how delusional Pearl Abyss is... which scares the new players off. New players join guilds that see those NW changes, they go on reddit, and 100% of the visible posts are wildly negative. And do you think he'll think "Maybe it isn't the right direction"? No, he'll think "They only say that because I haven't protected new players enough, they're all bullies and they're wrong" and kill PvP even further. If you're an existing player that already bought your tent, you're just irrelevant to J. He'll gut the game even more until it's a Skyrim simulator and until there are more new players joining than old ones leaving. 

You need only look at what happened towards the end of last year (multiple KR only appology streams, only the last of which was even translated by PA for the rest of the world, thank goodness we have english speaking korean streamers to translate for us) to understand you're wrong about PA not listening to KR.  How KR percieves things is ultimately meaningless to objective fact.  There's a catch though, they listen to KR only when the PR generated by disgrunteled players could directly affect their private interactions in the game (at least some of the devs actively play, but only on KR), the perception of their person, and the perception of the company by people living in KR (or probably more realistically the KR stockholders).  The worries and complaints of the rest of the world aren't necessarily ignored, there's just no meaningful connection to them as it will never effect anything in their personal lives, we're just a spreadsheet.

Unless of course someone sends in the trucks.

Última modificación : 28 abr. 2024, 23:21 (UTC)
# 182
On: Apr 28, 2024, 13:54 (UTC), Written by FoeTwenny

Logged in once in two months now and J keeps on going with this garbage. Revert J Revert. No rest for the wicked is fun though. C ya bdo is dead.

Yeah.  I don't want the one sided deccs to return as they were.  Modified, sure.

Última modificación : 29 abr. 2024, 05:34 (UTC)
# 183
On: Apr 28, 2024, 23:21 (UTC), Written by Columba

Yeah.  I don't want the one sided deccs to return as they were.  Modified, sure.

The system itself was good. Only guilds in active PvP were targetable. That was theory. 

But, the system was exploitable. If guild A had several wars, and tried to target guild B it got 'not ready for war' message. But, if guild A dropped all outgoing wars, it could dec guild B and re-launch previously dropped wars. 

It was abused, and it was known issue. 

All that had to be done, was fix it and give unlimited protection to all members and officers. There- guils Dec system fixed. But, instead, they nuked it all.

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Última modificación : 29 abr. 2024, 10:32 (UTC)
# 184
On: Apr 29, 2024, 05:34 (UTC), Written by qrak

The system itself was good. Only guilds in active PvP were targetable. That was theory. 

But, the system was exploitable. If guild A had several wars, and tried to target guild B it got 'not ready for war' message. But, if guild A dropped all outgoing wars, it could dec guild B and re-launch previously dropped wars. 

It was abused, and it was known issue. 

All that had to be done, was fix it and give unlimited protection to all members and officers. There- guils Dec system fixed. But, instead, they nuked it all.

That's the idea, when things get too hard, Devs choose the easy way by removing the system or using band-aids. And it goes far beyond pvp and owpvp, just check the instanced mechanics they removed to "rework" them, the "simplification" of the gearing system, the trading which was lazy reworked and now removed for a "rework"...

Please not that I'm not against simplification and rework in an old game, the accumulation may be overwhelming so it's necessary to clean up from time to time. But this work should be the basis for a better evolution. 

Última modificación : 29 abr. 2024, 21:10 (UTC)
# 185
On: Apr 29, 2024, 05:34 (UTC), Written by qrak

The system itself was good. Only guilds in active PvP were targetable. That was theory. 

But, the system was exploitable. If guild A had several wars, and tried to target guild B it got 'not ready for war' message. But, if guild A dropped all outgoing wars, it could dec guild B and re-launch previously dropped wars. 

It was abused, and it was known issue. 

All that had to be done, was fix it and give unlimited protection to all members and officers. There- guils Dec system fixed. But, instead, they nuked it all.

Well, my guild never decced on others or did node wars, and we got permadecced by a ONE person guild, run by a 745+ gs player who used the decc system to continually harass us, swapping channels to do so  While many of us could kill him, he would pick us out while we soloed, using the black robe and swapping channels.  Sheer harassment and abuse.   1-2 other guilds permadecced us to settle personal grudges.

While I am glad that he can no longer do that, I think that there were better solutions for this sort of abuse such as putting timers on one sided deccs and coold downs.  As you said, however, PA took the easy, sledgehammer route and decimated all one sided deccs.  One sided deccs to protect grind spots are legitimate.  If guilds are at war for nodes, I think they are ok too. 

Última modificación : 30 abr. 2024, 14:43 (UTC)
# 186
On: Apr 29, 2024, 21:09 (UTC), Written by Columba

Well, my guild never decced on others or did node wars, and we got permadecced by a ONE person guild, run by a 745+ gs player who used the decc system to continually harass us, swapping channels to do so  While many of us could kill him, he would pick us out while we soloed, using the black robe and swapping channels.  Sheer harassment and abuse.   1-2 other guilds permadecced us to settle personal grudges.

While I am glad that he can no longer do that, I think that there were better solutions for this sort of abuse such as putting timers on one sided deccs and coold downs.  As you said, however, PA took the easy, sledgehammer route and decimated all one sided deccs.  One sided deccs to protect grind spots are legitimate.  If guilds are at war for nodes, I think they are ok too. 

At some point, you have to be like... what are you doing, man? haha. You have to just stop and look at what is happening and talk to the guy. If you get caught up in his game and never pause, then it will continue. But it's like... what kind of a person does that? Obviously something is wrong. Obviously, they want something. It's best to figure out what is wrong.

If a personal grudge was so serious that people permadec you, it might be you guys did some wack stuff. You should be able to handle that with diplomacy, though.

If you get decced by one guy who is following you, you triggered the hell out of someone and you need to fix it. That's one of the fun parts of 'sandbox pvp,' working things out. When you change mechanics based on worst case scenarios, it's a bad look.

Última modificación : 30 abr. 2024, 22:41 (UTC)
# 187
On: Apr 29, 2024, 21:09 (UTC), Written by Columba

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While I am glad that he can no longer do that, I think that there were better solutions for this sort of abuse such as putting timers on one sided deccs and coold downs.
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Well, yes, it's called "guild protection"

It exists in game for years, and would be enough with two adjustments:

- Unlimited guild protection capacity. For some reason PA limited number of people we could put protection on.

- Removed position limiter. Again, for some reason only members could be put under protection, not Officers and higher.

All that had to be done is two steps above: removed capacity and position limits. If you could put anyone from guild under protection wars wouldn't matter as someone would have to flag. At the same time stronger guildies could fight back and have some fun.

What PA is missing, and will never get is balance. They (well, one person apparently) are not capable of finding middle ground. It's always full throttle in one direction without looking back.

Welp, it doesn't matter now anyway. BDO is going for the PvE route with cron-filled endgame. No point crying over spilled milk.

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Última modificación : 01 may. 2024, 07:43 (UTC)
# 188
On: Apr 30, 2024, 22:41 (UTC), Written by qrak

Well, yes, it's called "guild protection"

It exists in game for years, and would be enough with two adjustments:

- Unlimited guild protection capacity. For some reason PA limited number of people we could put protection on.

- Removed position limiter. Again, for some reason only members could be put under protection, not Officers and higher.

All that had to be done is two steps above: removed capacity and position limits. If you could put anyone from guild under protection wars wouldn't matter as someone would have to flag. At the same time stronger guildies could fight back and have some fun.

What PA is missing, and will never get is balance. They (well, one person apparently) are not capable of finding middle ground. It's always full throttle in one direction without looking back.

Welp, it doesn't matter now anyway. BDO is going for the PvE route with cron-filled endgame. No point crying over spilled milk.

As you noted, it would require changes, and if I protected my entire guild, I am not sure how that would be that different from eliminating one sided decs.  but, sure, that could work.

I agree that PA takes the easiest and not necessarily most customer friendly path

Última modificación : 01 may. 2024, 07:46 (UTC)
# 189
On: Apr 30, 2024, 14:43 (UTC), Written by Maltie

At some point, you have to be like... what are you doing, man? haha. You have to just stop and look at what is happening and talk to the guy. If you get caught up in his game and never pause, then it will continue. But it's like... what kind of a person does that? Obviously something is wrong. Obviously, they want something. It's best to figure out what is wrong.

If a personal grudge was so serious that people permadec you, it might be you guys did some wack stuff. You should be able to handle that with diplomacy, though.

If you get decced by one guy who is following you, you triggered the hell out of someone and you need to fix it. That's one of the fun parts of 'sandbox pvp,' working things out. When you change mechanics based on worst case scenarios, it's a bad look.

Lol.....feel free to talk to him.  He isn't rational and is obsessed.  What did he want?  A few of us to quit BDO.  Full stop.  Anyone watching knew this.  I was not alone.  He went after several others in other guilds.  Not my problem anymore!  He went red a bit, broke crystals and now leaves us alone.  Problem solved.

Última modificación : 01 may. 2024, 13:04 (UTC)
# 190
On: May 1, 2024, 07:46 (UTC), Written by Columba

Lol.....feel free to talk to him.  He isn't rational and is obsessed.  What did he want?  A few of us to quit BDO.  Full stop.  Anyone watching knew this.  I was not alone.  He went after several others in other guilds.  Not my problem anymore!  He went red a bit, broke crystals and now leaves us alone.  Problem solved.

See. He can't keep it up forever haha.

I understand he is irrational and obsessed, but my point is that in a pvp game, in a supposed sandbox, that will happen. It's something to deal with. You didn't even deal with it and he still got over it. O well.

PVP requires planning for other people's behavior. That's the 'open world' part as well.

Surprised that breaking crystals changed his mind haha. Maybe downgrades, but just breaking crystals? eh.

I personally believe if someone wants to take on a bigger guild as a solo, that should be looked at as content. It's inconvenient to you, but again... that's open world pvp. That's the crux. Sure, he sounds unhinged, but those type of people exist, too. For him, he likes it.

Was what he was doing really that bad, when you look back at it now that it stopped? haha.

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