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The way PA currently treats their players needs to change
12. Dez 2022, 01:38 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 02:38 (UTC)
# 1

After the Calpheon Ball sparking many discussions among players I have noticed the horrible way PA treats not only specific classes which haven't received the love they deserve in years (Archer, Tamer, Shai, and more), but also us as players.

With this post I am not trying to hate on PA and/or GMs/CMs in particular, I am just trying to shed light upon the way we are treated and ask for a change in this behavior.

It seems like PA, despite making the effort to make us believe that, does not actually care about players feedback. They added the Adventurer Feedback Board which in essence shouldn't even be needed, because they could just reply to the most liked Topics in category x without having to go through an additional Filter. All the Feedback Board does is let PA cherry pick features that they seemingly already wanted to implement anyways. This is clear by posts like "Please add a Seasonal-friendly Riding Crop without Mastery" which only amounted 70 Likes making it into the Adventurer Feedback Board and getting implemented almost immediately while other, arguably more important topics/issues, like "Apprentices exploiting bug in Game for over 4 Years, for self benefit" (625 Likes) or "Please allow Infinity Pots in Family Inventory" (535 Likes), don't even make it into the Adventurer Feedback Board. As for topics that are already on the Board (ignoring the cherry picked topics PA most likely already had developed): These seem to just get ignored or refused for no logical reasoning. "Please remove server-wide announcement for Abandoned Monastery Boss spawn" (135 Likes) gets a nonsense answer from a GM saying that Abandoned Monastery is supposed to have a mechanic that is only frustrating and nothing more. Then there are also topics with the Discussing state but have yet to receive any statement from PA either through a response from a GM or mentioning it in a Ball, like "Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol" (576 Likes) or "We can do better with chats(216 Likes).

Coming back to the Calpheon Ball, the disrespect towards players presented in this ball was just unbelievable.

Don't get me wrong the first half, showing us Woosa, the Land of the Morning Light and Console updates, was fine. They promised us a new Class, Port Ratt rework and they delivered, even gave some love to Console players. But it all went downhill from there.

First of all they have an entire Q&A Section "Check out these cherry picked questions"-Section to show off features we were already promised and knew about like the new Crystal Presets.

The question right after asking for a much needed rework of the DP and DR systems just gets shoved to the side arguing that "We want to make slight changes and improvements similar to the Alchemy Stone upgrades instead of reworking the system entirely". My question is: Who in their right mind thinks that a person with 401+ DP cares about 4 extra DP on his Vell's Heart that don't give him any brackets or relevant DR or Evasion values. The current system doesn't allow the Alchemy Stone upgrades to be relevant in the first place. Instead they toss a much needed change that players are asking for to the side and delay it indefinitely while also promising us more subpar Items that don't fix the problem, simultaneously making it even worse with the introduction of Items like "Banghwong's Tear" giving you (although not much, for now) even more AP.

Then comes another "Player Question" wasted on stuff we already knew about: Arena of Solare Season 2.

Next up: "Can we get more high-end grindzones?" question gets turned into a segway to our sponsor Land of the Morning Light Bossfights (Grindspots) stretching out the Ball and pretty much feeding us some useless info to get our minds off of "We don't have any idea about good high-end zones or Mediah Elvia".

Now we get a bunch of cherry picked questions about lifeskill features ready to be implemented, that most likely no one asked about, so that players know PA does not cares about lifeskills, while still not buffing them to make them relevant.

"We will remove the cheering emote for Sharps and Hards". Cool. Why does this need to be in your presentation? Oh right you want to show off that you do not care about "player feedback", got it.

Then we get to ocean content. Something players have been asking for for a looong time. And what do we get in this ball? Sailing EXP outside of Margoria and "We will add more content eventually". Oh also here have a new ship that lets you make 10m/h more every 100 years because it's a rare drop.

Also some other stuff no one cares about like horse calling distance or opening your loot boxes on horses.

We also get some changes to Guilds and you would think "Did they fix the issue mentioned earlier about players abusing the Apprentice system?". No (althought a nice feature) they gave us a revamp of the payout system instead, ignoring player feedback about important issues, tossing it to the side even by feeding you with something else.

And now onto the roleplaying aspects of the game. More pearl accessory and footwear options for classes. The pearl accessories we get, but footwear is apparently too much of a burden to implement into the game because every female class (except Shai) already comes with a character model accomodating heels and it's too difficult to change that model. This is further explained in the Wizard model rework section apparently taking an entire year to copy over Hashashins model changing the skin tone, while at the same time they have been spitting out new classes every 3 months the past 1 1/2 years.

And then comes the most disrespectful section of the entire presentation: Adding dances to the game... but it's only for Shai... because according to PA "Shai is for enjoyment above combat efficiency"... So you're saying other classes don't deserve to participate in Roleplaying content in a MMO-Roleplaying Game because they are good at combat? You're saying only 5% of the playerbase is allowed to enjoy a feature that has been requested by various players all playing different classes? And to top it all off they just ripped out the dance from one of their games "DokeV" and imported it onto Shai, completely throwing out the window their previous claims of dancing not fitting the vision they have for the game. And how is it alot of effort to add dancing to other classes aswell when you clearly just imported the animation keyframes from DokeV into Black Desert?

They then also announce that every class gets to play music like Shai does. Although I love the change because everyone gets to participate now, how does this fit PAs claim (literally 5 minutes earlier in the presentation) that Shai is an enjoyment class and gets these features because apparently that's what she is designed for? Then explain to me this: When all classes end up getting Music Composing, Dancing, Donkey and Alpaca, what is Shai then? Will Shai still be an enjoyment class despite not having any features that would base this statement? Would Shai just be useless by then? Will PA just delete Shai because they are done Beta testing features using Shai?

Onto a more personal matter: What is up with PA treating Shai mains even worse than their general players? "Shai is for enjoyment above combat efficiency"? So you are just sick of Shai mains asking their class to get the same treatment as other classes? You just tell us straight that we should shut up and stop asking?

If you want to discuss this more check out this Topic: "STOP TREATING SHAI AS LIFESKILL CLASS"

All of this just feels like a huge slap in the face.

EDIT: Reading back the Q&A section comes out more of a rant than constructive critique, but the essence of what I am trying to say still stands so I'm not changing it.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 03:48 (UTC)
# 2

I was about to make a thread like this! Thanks Excederus!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 06:21 (UTC)
# 3

Compared to what i saw in Heidel Ball, Calpheon Ball was the first one i watched, and a total disaster.
It's almost as the developers are in a different reality.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 07:00 (UTC)
# 4

As I only know English, perhaps what is discussed on our forum is vastly different from everyone elses' and we're just a few meaningless voices, because everyone else backs the Dev's decisions 100%?

I hope not....

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 09:02 (UTC)
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thanks you for saying what many thought after the Ball. The whole thing was a disgrace to the game. 

Thank you for especially pointing out the Feedback Board that absolut does nothing. I tried to get the suggestion for extra servers for at least Sieges going on that. And as a lot of other topics it got quite a few likes and comments etc....but so many big Topics never make it to the Board, cause PA doesnt want to deal with them. If they see ez things to fix, or things they already planned to do, they put it on the board to "show that they follow our suggestion". The only big Topic that got "forced" on it was basicly the Shai Underwear Topic....and thats like the most discussed Thread since forever anyway. 

When I did see the dance I was so mad. For years we asked for dancing and they kept telling us that it wouldnt fit in the game and that they dont want to make Fortnight 2.0. So instead of giving us the NPC dancing animations from Termian Fetival they gave us nothing. And suddenly they compy paste us they ripped off dance of DokV???The dance 100% doesnt fit in the game. Looks super creepy on Shai as it is....and Dancing only for Shai??? Its not only unfair and looks shit, it also shows what they think of Shai.

Shai isnt concentrated on combat??? Do they know their own classes? Shai is a good grinder and one of the most wanted classes in any PvP Guild. They want to keep her the RPG Clown and that sucks! 

PA, keep ur cheap copy of ur other game out of BDO. I rather not dance, than dance alone!

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 10:14 (UTC)
# 6

Who could've foreseen this???

Oh wait... they exactly behaved like this on their KR feedback board which is added a year earlier, but guess there was still some rookies that hoped it won't be just a another empty PR stunt....

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 10:19 (UTC)
# 7
On: Dec 12, 2022, 10:14 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Who could've foreseen this???

Oh wait... they exactly behaved like this on their KR feedback board which is added a year earlier, but guess there was still some rookies that hoped it won't be just a another empty PR stunt....

I didnt know they had an Adventure Board on KR, tbh. My Korean is pretty bad, so I dont run around on their website that much trying to understand whats going on there.

But ye....guess hope dies last

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 10:21 (UTC)
# 8

whole ball was a joke with topics for pasttimes.... only good things were crystal presets (long overdue QoL) and family silver (which wasnt possible before when silver had weight due to p2w greed weight sales).... new area solo bosses also seem like a joke, its a mmmorpg wheres acutal group content?

and i wont even comment on thier DP rework comments.  "oh we noticed u get hit for 100% of your hp, here, have 2 extra DR"

THANX

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 10:28 (UTC)
# 9

Look, whoever was, the topic was moved to "General Gameplay".
And i won't even mention the censored response up there. 
Look PA, if you dont want feedback its fine, but just tell us! And then delete the whole feedback section and adventure board.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 12. Dez 2022, 10:42 (UTC)
# 10
On: Dec 12, 2022, 10:28 (UTC), Written by GreenShadow

Look, whoever was, the topic was moved to "General Gameplay".
And i won't even mention the censored response up there. 
Look PA, if you dont want feedback its fine, but just tell us! And then delete the whole feedback section and adventure board.

they want praise for inane crap they put out, they dont want to hear feedback about stuff thats hard to do or require actual work it seems. (engine issues, actual balance, actual prompt responses on fotm chars, actual bug fixes that are around for ages for no apparent reason other than pissing players off etc)

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