Well, this is just an idea for an alternate progression that doesn't require a hundreds of thousands cron stones + rng roll. And i thought caphras are kinda usless rn for veterans and we need more tankyness in game.

I'm all open to hear better suggestions from you guys!

That is not true, we don't need more tankiness, FOTM classes in proper PvP build are already unkillable by mid tier classes and bellow, we certanly do not need buff to that few that can build tanky rn, and that 500hp and 5 DR not going to change anything on the trash tier classes.

The chapras issue was clearly visible since more than a year, PA did not cared so far, but the whole market is trash rn, and guess what was PA's way to fix it? A another 2 week of 100% drop rate, that's how much they care, ie: they don't.

I don't think they find it problematic that there is chapras on the market, since in the past ppl was complaining about the lack of chapras, now they have it. It probably need to go down to 1m ish to PA to start caring, altrough if we expect FG weapons, that will going to add a strong support to chapras price as you need 30k per weapon, mostlikely it won't be go bellow 1.5m that way.

As for reforming armors, PA will eventually going to add cup like enchaments to armors, since it's low effort "content" for them that they not going to skip on.

There is many ways to fix chapras demand, they can even add a guarantated enchament from TET to PEN FG by using 100k chapras stones. That would add longterm goal, and fix the issue of highest gear being TET instead of PEN, since they clearly do not want to fix the enchament chance on the PEN FG. Altrough given how P2W endgame gearing is, I doubt they would change it to be non cash shop based.

Cuz PEn BS armor =c10 pen boss armor, and PEN BS wep= C20 PEN Boss Weapon. They have plans to add new tier of artifacts, we can use caprhas for guaranteed way for pur yellow artifacts. Same with Accesories x thousands of caprhas for guaranteed accesories upgrade. 

Sure, tanky classes will be harder to kill, but currently i need to atleast 2 combo to kill them anyways. So the overall situation doesn't change. My Awakening Witch on the other hand gets blown standing up, and with a bit more defensive stats I could atleast use 1-2 skills more + my FG is harder to break.

That being said, not making changes because of class balance is most of the time a stupid reason. Class balance will always change sooner or later! 

I think PA did add PEN fallen god to bait whales into waisting their money. And I think it's good for them, they make free money. Pen fallen god was never an item which was ment to be obtained.

You probably came up with the idea on the spot of spending 100k caphras stones, but pushing veterans into buying 400k caphras is not a good idea for the caphras market tbh. 

I feel like my approch is more natural, since you will just save up your caphras stone when going for these end game items and once you get them, you put them into this new 'cup' upgrade.

I would finish your idea in a weekend, literately, that would not be a long term goal for any "veteran" player.

In the first place every time someone changes his c20 to a FG, he gets 14520 spare chapras, your idea would not even consume all the excess, not to mention all the extra generated on grind spots as current mainstream spots do drop chapra aswell.

While my idea was a random one, curently every day there is 1.1m chapras sold on EU. A few ppl buying 400k in the next half-1year would not kill the market. The 3DR upgrade is not big enough to justify the 200-300B cost for most players.

Yet another material layer is like the last thing we need in the game...

Atleast do the math right...

8,260 caphras x4 = 33,040 caphas total

The only c20 armor ppl are running are boots, so you still need about 20k more caphras.

And like you said before it's just an 'cup' upgrade for fallen god armors and not a next tier thing. If you are able to make all of them in a weekand, kudos to you. You put the effort into getting them.

2 Questions:

Do you think this Burning Caphras Stone cup upgrade is good for the gear progression experience?

And do you personaly like the idea?

For me, it's an Yes for both questions.

I personally think even the current cups are lazzy, low effort content, which btw was added last minute, literately days before the elvira release since the "content" was so weak that they had to come up with something quick. It doesn't add meaningfull value to the game, it's not even really a big effort getting them, but it's an annoyance since you can not swap them freely, it's also a very ugly solution since they effectively duplicated the items for evey cup item in the game (due to how reforming works). And they aren't even balanced.

They should've left reforming dead(wih all it's issues) ever since grunil is no longer the meta, but lazzines and content recycling is all we get instead.

That is what I think from such solutions, however as stupid it is, your idea have realistic chance of actually happening given how PA usually bandaid stuff like you mentioned, I would not be surprised if accidentally they do something similar.

Probably the most clean solution would be if they would simply allow FG chaprasing. That way it would be the same as we had in the past with boss gear.

Alright, now I see why you against this ^^

Is the core of the problem as you describe it the devaluation of caphras and, as a result, loss of silver for you? If so, try to look at the situation also from the perspective of casual players.

I would argue that veteran or hardcore players who can invest so much time in the game to afford having 20 c across the board is much smaller than the playerbase who can finally afford to get their gear to 10 at least when the caphras price has fallen.

Of course, it would be detrimental if caphras price broke and stagnated at min, but now it is is the middle, which is a good compromise. Most of your solutions (i.e., the need to collect massive amounts of caphras again, over the amount invested so far) lead to maxing the price of caphras again, which is beneficial to hardcore grinders, as it maximizes their gains, but at the expense of casual players. Is this desirable?

PS: Yeah, the adition of more reforming items is just lazy. Since they introduced two-level reforming with despairs already, they can continue doing this endlessly and make players chase the carrot with minimum effort. Despair at min? Create third tier of reform item for alchemy stone - solved.