Who even tell that to new players? Afk money/progression in bdo is dogshit rn. It was a thing years ago, but atm it's nothing compared to active grinding.

I'm a player that takes many breaks and plays about 2-6 months out of the year. There are a couple of things I struggle with in BDO and when I fall into having to do those things, I burn out quick and go play something else. In the MMOs I enjoy combat in, there is a goal - go do a thing, and can be done with it in a day or a few weeks. I struggle with games that are nothing but combat due to arthritis. Some games have simple enough controls that I can do okay with combat, such as Fallout 76, for example. This is on me and my physical limitations, though.

BDO has a wide variety of things to do, more than it has had in the past, which keeps me from falling into the combat play. But I still want things, like the infitity potions for example, and that requires hours and hours of grinding, which is something I don't have tolerance for. Even without the physical limitations, I still have issues with monotonous, repetitive tasks and I lose interest quickly, or suffer burn-out.

I understand the whole "things of worth are worth the time" idea, but not when things are based on monotonous, repetitive, painful tasks in a game that I hope to spend my free time enjoying. When my gameplay falls into this, I leave BDO and go play another game for a few months. I have 4 MMOs I cycle through and usually return upon new content releases after I start hitting burn-out stage on a current MMO.

I feel that BDO was designed for a certain mindset and that it is successful there. I also know the devs understand why they lose people and are trying to bring more engaging activities into the game. BDO still has a lot of potential, is still an awesome game, but one I can only take in spurts.

1) Main reason is there's no content for everyone but only for pvpers or high stuffed ppls.

- New players have Season.  You get a FREE TET Accessory with every Season.  This is equivalent to over 20 billion silver, just by graduating Season, which you can do without even finishing everything.

- Magnus is coming out soon.  FREE PEN Armor.

- Jetina Boss Gear quests ---- 100% Guaranteed PEN.

- MORE FREE guaranteed PEN --- Jetina PEN Accessory quests.  40 billion silver without the hard grind or RNG.  The grind for it is painless and only takes some time to complete.

- New players have OVER 20 viable grind spots, spread over 3 regions, to choose from.  These spots can net between 300 - 600+ silver per hour using even TRI Tuvala gear (not fully enhanced Season gear).

- Tier 1 Node Wars and Capped Siege -- Tuvala can fight in siege wars now.  Siege used to be the pinnacle of the BDO experience, something players would WANT to gear up for, but now, 2/3 castles are gear capped Sieges.  T1 nodes are all gear capped, so a fresh account can experience organized PVP, like vets can.

- Arena of Solare is gear capped arena PVP.  NO GEAR REQUIRED.

- So much QoL to avoid PVP now.  Marni's Realm, Home Channels, channel swap cooldown reduced, increased Karma penalties, etc.  So many ways for you to run away from PVP when you get wrecked by others it's not even funny.

Tell me, what the actual frank are you talking about, "there's no content for everyone but only for pvpers or high stuffed ppls."????  If anything, NEW PLAYERS HAVE SO MUCH CONTENT.  High "stuffed ppls" are the ones who don't have anything new to look forward to.  When Centaurus, a 190 AP spot makes more than some Elvia spots that require WAY more gear, dafrank you even on about?

2) "System to upgrade is far away too punitive and expensive, farming is so boring and unrewarding, and that's more à solo game than a mmo."

100% PEN quests cost ZERO silver to complete.  ZERO enhancing required.  40 billion silver accessory just by doing 20 minute daily quests?  Seriously complaining?  20+ billion for free just by graduating a Season character, which doesn't even require completeing Season pass?  Seriously complaining?  If you don't like the grind style in BDO, you don't like it, but goddamn try to at least be objective here.  "Boring" and "rewarding", in the context you're speaking is 100% subjective, so it really means nothing.  I find the grind peaceful, relaxing, and rewarding.  I'm 710 GS and hungry for more gains because I want to be STRONGER.  It's relaxing to me, and getting gains is rewarding because I can farm faster, I get a hard-on when I look at my gear, and can do better for my guild in PVP.

BDO's style of grind is not like themepark, spam raids, type MMO's.  Don't like it?  Then you don't like it.  I love the fact that I am not FORCED into group play and can progress on my own, on my own terms, and set my own goals instead of stressing about dailies and being forced into grouping, only grouping when I want, and solo when I want.  I used to play Diablo and I like the grind style. 

The grind is peaceful and every mob I kill feels like progress.  I like action games and Street Fighter and BDO's combat is the closest to this gameplay in any MMO I've tried.

3) "Story is shit, quests are redundant and when there are events, you have to do ridiculous things just to unlock some rewards....like talking to 50 npcs through the entire world or.....fishing!"

Sounds like every other MMO TBH.  But this statement is purely subjective because I enjoyed the Mountain of Eternal Winter questline and appreciated the revamp of the Serendia starting quests.  The voice acting is average, which is more than many other games can say (LUL Swords of Legend Online) and one voice actor in particular was quie good; Lando (RIP). 

You just sound like you complain about everything and don't know sh** about it at the same time.

4) "And this "afk" content...what the hell? Does Pearl Abysss have some special contracts with energy providers around the world?"

AFK lets you progress when you're away from your PC.  AFK content lets you earn silver and even combat EXP when you're not at your PC.  This is NOT mandatory.  BUT it offers players a way to progress their charcater or earn some silver when they're at work/school/IRL, playing other games, or just lazy.  It's purely convenience or min/max and is 100% NOT required to play BDO.

BDO could use a lot of work in many areas.  But the areas you're complaing about?  SMH. 

Word to the wise:  Try to be objective (meaning, fact based), not subjective (personal feelings based), when speaking with objective statements.  If you're going to be subjective, you should start by saying "In my opinion", because if not, you just sound whiney.

Really?! You're a bollocks sucker...ok, I have it. But free PEN, when, where, what? I play since the first day and I never saw any free PEN (accessory or armor or whatever).

I made 2 PEN pieces with Jetina quests and that cost me several billions....like I "said" I play since the beginning and I reached 10 billions recently....so, several billions hurts a lot.

300-600+ silver/hour...whaou, what a deal and if you mean millions that's totally fake.....that's more 30 millions/hour and, for me, that's the max I can do.....before thinking about what I'm doing is idiot.

I don't do any pvp, that's bullshit, according to me, in this game. And most last contents were dedicated to pvp. Oh yes, there was this anorexic area, Eternal Winter....a joke!

Story is shit and ridiculous....and "that sounds like every mmo"...lol, you don't know..so don't open it plz.^^

Teso, is an exemple of perfect story with a magnificent lore...BDO is the opposite. Want more examples? Age of Conan, SWTOR, The Secret World, Guild Wars, Lotr, FFXIV, Eve Online, Neverwinter and some more....

That's not subjective, if that's idiot and ridiculous, that's idiot, that's all! But I agree, almost all korean mmos have really bad storylines, like Lineage, Lost Ark, Archeage, Tera, Bless, Rappelz and certainly more but I didn't tried every mmo.

The main problem of this game : it was supposed to be adapted to our (NA and EU) way to play mmo's. And it's actullay the same game than it's in Asia...no dungeons with real mechanics, no group missions, no tactics in gameplay...every powerful mob hits very hard and has a lot of hp...that's all! So, if you're lvl 66 with 700+ gs, you will run on everything while less involved players, unlucky ones or just a little more casual can't access all content. An example, just go and see what happens vs uber world bosses.....only a few can resist their attacks while the majority just die. Besides, this idea of "uber" bosses is crap, literally. 

The pleasants and positives points of this game : animations are just amazing and the bestiary is pretty nice and that's all! 

But I suppose for the ones who can unplug their brains, farming, crafting, sailing etc are interesting. I just can't....and I'm not alone! But by habit and because I spent a lot of money in this game, I can't quit as I like few points and my chrs. Yes, I know, I'm a sensitive old timer.

That's actually incorrect.

You either need a PEN tuvala or a TET normal boss gear to start the quest, then a TRI for the last stage, so there is enhancing involved, and even if you have all the mats (stones, mem frags, etc), they do cost silver because of the Oquilla pieces of the old moon (50 millions each) needed for the Oquilla crystals, and the more you progress (1st, 2nd, 3rd item, etc), the more you need.

So it's more of a "fixed costs guaranted" PEN than what some players wrongly call a "free" PEN

I like action games and Street Fighter and BDO's combat is the closest to this gameplay in any MMO I've tried.

Please, don't compare BDO to good Vs fighting games, and PA to developers that can actually provide an Esport certified (meaning, consistent and reliable) gaming evironment.

If we just take the levels of exigency and consistency on technical aspects when it comes to the game environment, Capcom and PA are just on different planets.

There's a reason why Vs fighting games are played on serious Esport tournaments and BDO, even if they try with Solare, never will outside of some promotional events on whatever gaming convention.

PvP in MMO's is just its own beast and can't be compared to Vs fighting games, even if they try to introduce things such as action combat and inputs, combos or cancels. It has its own sort of merits, can offer things that no other genre can, but if someone really likes 1on1 PvP and wants to experience Vs fighting game combat, then he should play a Vs Fighting game and not BDO, because no MMO can actually provide it in any satisfaying way.

P2W. Extreme high price of entry. Gambling. Regression. Toxic evironment. No story/characters to keep you emotionally invested in the game. Just some reasons. 

Try to read better, sensitive old timer (your words).

The Magnus is coming soon and it offers one FREE PEN Boss Gear through a questline.

I never said Jetina was "free".  I said Jetina is a 100% Guaranteed PEN.

300 million silver an hour is farmed quite easily at Centaurus' Herd.  30 mil an hour?  Have you not played in over a year?  Go to Garmoth.com and check the global averages -- Centaurus' Herd grindspot averages 369 mil an hour with only Blue Loot Scroll.  It averages 597 mil an hour with Blue LS + Agris.  Centaurus' is a 190 AP spot.  I'm looking at Sherekan at 381 SPH, 210 AP spot.  The list goes on.  New players have literal tons of grind spots to choose from to progress toward higher gear, and with the Central Market revamp, most items new players need have never been easier to buy than ever before.

Reference:  https://garmoth.com/grind-tracker/1nJlrP2NwU/global

You say PVP is "bullshit" to you, but you yourself mentioned it in the first place.  When T1 nodes, 2/3 castle sieges, AoS, are ALL gear capped.  So don't say the game only has contents for PVP or high geared when, literally, every PVP activity, aside from RBF and Open World, is literally gear capped so Tuvala players can play it.

"Story is shit and ridiculous" and you say it isn't subjective without providing one single point of contention other than "this game has better lore".  Give examples.  Oh wait, you can't... because you know nothing about it.  The game's lore is pretty deep in BDO, many NPC's that quests don't send you to give additional insight, requiring players to find these lore pieces on their own.  Aside from that, the revamped the original starting quests -- it's clearer to understand and more cinematic and voice acted as well.  IMO, it's probably "average", but that's a lot better than many other games can say.  I tip my hat off to the devs for their work, it's clear they have put considerable effort into improving the game on many fronts -- including the story.  Here's a link to BDO's lore, it hasn't been updated since 2018, but this site offers good insight into the many plot twists, intricacies, and how the story weaves between regions.  Keep in mind, the lore has gotten deeper since then, with the introduction of new regions.

Reference:  https://www.blackdesertroleplayers.com/lore

"The main problem of this game : it was supposed to be adapted to our (NA and EU) way to play mmo's."

Who in the world told you that?  Can you cite a dev saying this?  Or are you making stuff up again?

"no dungeons with real mechanics, no group missions, no tactics in gameplay...every powerful mob hits very hard and has a lot of hp...that's all!"

There are dungeons with "real" mechanics, like puzzles.  But dungeons aren't required, they're optional, hence me saying I like the fact there is no FORCED group content.  No tactics in gameplay? -- obviously, you've never done a Node War.  Tactics plays a HUGE role in organizaed PVP.  The PVE in BDO, like I said, is comparable to Diablo.  It's not a WoW clone.  SUBJECTIVE if you like it or not.  So if you don't like Diablo or Warframe-style PVE, then THAT'S LITERALLY THE DEFINITION OF SUBJECTIVE.

Thing about BDO is options -- There are ways to play solo or group, though, yes, the game is more solo than your traditional themepark, casual, carebear, PVE, forced group content, boring tab target zero mechanical skill, type MMO.

When it comes to farming "powerful mobs", it's about maximizing your DPS -- proc add-ons, pull well, and efficiency, to make the most silver per hour.  Self-agency.  No reliance on others.  I like it because I am in full control of my character and don't need to rely on other people to get the job done!  I'll DO IT MYSELF. 

That being said, I'm more than open to more optional group content - They are introducing a thrid dungeon as well, soon, so there's that.  More group content is always nice, but IMO, make it viable, but keep it optional, like it is now.

"So, if you're lvl 66 with 700+ gs, you will run on everything while less involved players, unlucky ones or just a little more casual can't access all content. An example, just go and see what happens vs uber world bosses.....only a few can resist their attacks while the majority just die."

How do you think I got level 66 and 700+ GS?  I played this game for 5+ years as my main MMO -- that's how.  You think I got here in a month?  My point is -- This is an MMORPG.  You play and your progress by grinding.  Every MMO makes you grind.  "Less involved players" (oh, you mean like you?) need to grind too, everyone does, in order to access the hardest content.  Don't like it?  Then don't play an MMO.  Or go play some throwaway, short-term, handhold, easy-peasy, no brain or willpower needed, casual wonderland MMO instead.

"The pleasants and positives points of this game : animations are just amazing and the bestiary is pretty nice and that's all! 

But I suppose for the ones who can unplug their brains, farming, crafting, sailing etc are interesting. I just can't....and I'm not alone! But by habit and because I spent a lot of money in this game, I can't quit as I like few points and my chrs. Yes, I know, I'm a sensitive old timer."

You're only scratching the surface.  BDO lets players set their own goals, choose their own path to achieve those goals, and many goals take a very, very long time to achieve, like crafting a Carrack or grinding for PEN DIstortion Earrings.  This is a grinder-game at it's core.  For me, when I work at something for a long time, and achieve the goal I set forth for myself, it makes getting there that much more meaningful.  I don't like easy gains, I don't like expansions that render gear useless, the gear treadmill in BDO is a steady upward progression (unless you enhance and fail everything like an idiot), it's not a reach max gear then wait til the next expansion MMO.

Sunk cost fallacy -- by saying you spent too much money so you have to stay.  That's a YOU problem, old timer.  (I'm pretty old, myself).

Like I said, you've barely experienced the game.  And it's quite clear to me that you'll forever be in the same place in BDO with a stuck mindset.  It's OK.  BDO is NOT for everyone.  It's pretty niche.  For me, I'll eventually get 2 PEN Distortion Earrings and a PEN Turo's Belt.  I'll also get the new Fallen God Gloves to at least DUO at first, then eventually TRI, then TET later on, always steadily progressing, getting hard-ons when looking at my progress, improving in PVP, and exploring different ways of playstyle.  All because I've found a gameplay loop that works for me, and I enjoy the long-haul-style gameplay BDO has to offer.  It's the only MMO that can keep me interested at end-game, the things I value most are; 1) Steady forward progression through grinding, 2) PVP, 3) Self-agency, and 4) Options / diversity.

100% Guranteed, zero enahncing required, after getting the Jetina TET which requires PEN Tuvala.  PEN Tuvala is the only thing you'd need to enahcne and it is very easy to get.  Increased enhancement rates with Tuvala, materials for Tuvala do not cost silver, only playtime.

>>> But that said, TET Boss gear and TRI can be bought from Central Market.  Zero enhancing requried.  I never said Jetina PEN was "free" -- Read again.  The Magnus PEN is free.  ('-________-) ugh.

Again, read -- "I like action games and Street Fighter and BDO's combat is the closest to this gameplay in any MMO I've tried."

Key word is "gameplay".  The combo system.  The button presses.  Non-tab target.  Neutral game.  Outplay.  Class matchups.  It's the closest thing to Street Fighter and I've been playing SF since SFII Turbo when I was in elementary school.

NEVER did I mention anything about Esports.  Not ONE mention of technical aspects.  Purely speaking of GAMEPLAY, as in the mechanics involved, it's the closest thing.  You're derailing / strawmanning what I'm saying.  I agree the engine / netcode / technical aspect needs work -- EVERYONE DOES.  I'm speaking purely on gameplay with that quote you pulled.

EDIT:  I did put "MORE FREE Guaranteed PEN" when describing the Jetina ACCESSORY.  It's not "free", per se.  Jetina PEN Accessory will cost about 10 billion silver total, over the course of the questline.  This, however, is for an item valued at 40+ billion in CM.  Players will also be grinding / playing / earning silver along the way, during the questline.  So take it how you will.

nah tera had good storyline until in 2016 when they replaced old staff, by incompetent staff, the story with freya, jelena, elleon  was good, but after argon or after level 60, the good old staff left bhs and we were stuck with idiot unable to do their job 

"P2W" -- Exists, not required.  P2W impacts people who want to PVP at the highest level OR have a gambling / dopamine addiction so bad, they seriously need a mental health check.

"Gambling" -- Self control and the right mindset counters this.

"Regression" -- You only regress if you gamble.  Or if you die to mobs with no Elion's Tears, which is a supremely unlikely scenario.  Risk vs Reward.  Not complicated.

"Toxic environment" -- Like every multi-player game?  Ever play CODMW2 back in XBox / PS3 days?  How about Fortnite?  How about League of Legends?  Every multiplayer game has toxicity in it, grow a back bone.

"No story/characters to keep you emotionally invested in the game" -- Story isn't the strong point for me either.  But it isn't bad, IMO.  My Sorc is my waifu for lifeu and is top 5 reasons I keep playing BDO.