We dont need Hypothetical examples than can be exagerated to the extreme so it suits what you are trying to convey. We have (and have been arguing about) real examples right here right now in the game. If you can`t defend your point without the use of made up premises this conversation is just pointless.

THANK YOU

250-260+AP ( full tuvala = 240ish PA, = TET / tri acc => above a lot of gambling => lot of time wasting )

crown nest

time to get there will turn thoses "CP help" useless as you will already have nearly did a lot already in game ? = no more point ?

Also, i invit you to understand words correctly. I dont said "unaviable", as everything is aviable to "new players" even a full PEN, yet the time to get there the players would be everything except a "new player" anymore.

Is kratuga ruin the only requierment ?

Yet show me with a fresh account with nothing ( so no pet & so ) in how many time you go to 250+ AP ( as even a full seasonal PEN isnt enough to get there ) => at that point you will certainly have done enough questing in general to have that "new playerhelp totaly useless" , so yup its hard walled.

Again cheap attack attempt and try to focus on one point only ( that still doesnt show me wrong btw ) while its not the only one (btw) only to spread your single determination at beeing a toxic. At this point its a bit sad to want to hurt your head on the "You sad attack are so insignifiant to me wall" that bad, i mean, whatever after all that's your personal problem.

Also 1- line on the topic 3 line on insult attempt. Guess that's a QED on your intent.

What I see is you are just ignoring the grouping point, proving your lack of social skills.

Still trying to insult. Such desperation in your answer to find a reason to.

Come to my "i still dont care about you office" we are going to talk about, its that way ->

Kratuga is ony walled by your lack of social skills, normal human beings can group just fine and get it done at any gear level.

That only demonstrates your lack of ability to understand even basic concepts.  You should listen carefully as you won't often get many chance in life to really expand your knowledge, but this is one.  You're welcome.

You can test a lot statements by applying a simple logical forumula.

If(Condition, premise)

 then(outcome)

If(can be achieved in game)

 then (is only convienience)

WoW Amazing What a simple formula to evaluate ideas!!!!!!! Astonishing!!!!

Lets put it use

If(level 63 can be obtained in game)

 then(is only convience)

Hold up!  You are telling me ALL THOSE EXAMPLES demonstrate they would only be convience using that premise?  Damnit now we have to use our brains on this.  Thinking is so hard.  Can't we just say stuff?  Not if you want the CORRECT answers.  Lets continue.

The PREMISE or DEFINITION of convience items is PROVEN WRONG when tested.  That is why the absurd tests are still passing.

Now read this over and over until you learn something from it.

Okey man,u win. Im not gonna keep arguing with this level of evade. 

As far as I can tell, one line of Capatoia gear still won't let me, a level 60 Veteran, fight those mobs.  Don't get me wrong, It was a nice surprise when I came back from a 2 year hiatus from this game.... but yeah,  limping over the 240 AP line but then they make everything NEW in the game require 265 AP while Accessories in general are still on the old broken "BOTH pieces are destroyed when Enchant Fails" schedule bull **** is not a nice welcome-back at all.  Not to Mention, Caphras stones are the same price or HIGHER than when they first debuted (aka, the point I finally gave up on the game and wanted to get the taste of MMO's out of my mouth entirely)

It might not be so bad, if there was atleast a Team-Finding mechanism in the game that the player base actually all used.  But it's not that kind of community.  I've been back a whole week and have only encountered 2 players actually working together ONE time...  and it looked like they were only Sailing together.  I've got the old NA Discord up since I've been back, and I can't find any evidence of people coordinating together in that either even though there's 10's of THOUSANDS of active users subbed to that discord.   This community is a disgusting mess, and I have a feeling that no new OR returning players here should trust anything said by ANY of the people who spend too much time on these forums. 

@ Those People, I would say:  ...you're all probably just lone wolf Solo'ists as well who wouldn't lift a finger to help a person in-game if the entire Dev Team's futures depended on it  ...and if that assumption is wrong, then PROVE IT.   Offer to help someone in a way that matters, not just dismissing them and saying "game EZ,  Ur jus Bad"

The more you talk to this guy, the more you realize how little he actually knows while talking.

Every single time you argue with him, he goes from basic argument that's flawed w/ proof that is either outdated or never existed, to just completely lying while evading point that completely disproves everything he's ever said, then to absurd and nonexistent comparison to try to show some semblance of intelligence while downplaying the others. it's what always happens, and the more he posts on a single thread the less coherent he is and the more his argument distorts.

You can see that exact pattern in this thread, as well as other threads that he's posted in.