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Can someone explain to me why PVP hate PVE and Life Skillers a lot? Also other questions if you can. Thanks!
19 oct. 2022, 06:27 (UTC)
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Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 06:27 (UTC)
# 1

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic. So please don't start a fight and get angry or hunt me down. To speak kindly, I just like to get a better perspective as to why PVP players really hates PVE and Life Skiller so much? Also, I am curious?

Second, I would like to understand and in the future explain to other players why and for other players to undertand the PVPer side. There has been a lot of conversation lately on Reddit and in-game... even hate discussion from PVPer to telling others that they don't care about PVE / Life Skills and even calling us "carebears". Don't get the wrong idea here. Please. I just like to be civilised and understand why? That is all.

Finally, the last question. As a PVE and Life Skiller myself, I know when to swap servers to avoid conflict. But most of the time, players just kill me first and said spot taken. Can any explain to me why kill first and said spot taken second? It's kind of wrong. But, it should be the other way round? Can someone explain?

Thank you for your time! :)

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 10:09 (UTC)
# 2

Usually there are those said PvP players you mention. The reasons can vary. Both the PvP and PvE players have contribution to this from my observations. I will try to view this from two perspectives and carefully. Since you've mentioned that it's a sensitive topic. Undeniable.

From PvP PoV: The player views the PvE players as "carebears". Because there are times, that PvE players believe that the grind spots can be farmed with another player without asking to group up and sometimes in reality they want to outfarm the player, who was already there first. This usually is a new player's mistake. And for that reason two players are in a conflict for one place. And if the said PvP player eliminates in combat the PvE player for whatever reasons, usually rants begin. It happens frequently, but not always. The PvP player wanted to protect the place he claimed temporarily. The PvE player is unhappy and therefore creates topics about "PvE only servers" or anything closely related to that, forgetting the fact that BDO is supposed to be an open world PvX(or in other words PvPvE) game. Also the PvP player believes that the PvE players want an easier time in the game. That is the most common thing I've been observing from the PvP player PoV.

From PvE POV: The PvE player sometimes doesn't even want to try out PvP. He would do anything at his/her disposal to avoid it. Now let's assume he is not new to BDO, but at the same time the PvE player has close to no skills in PvP. He goes to a grindy place and he's alone. A PvP player comes uninvited. And this PvPer has three ways to initiate a dispute-by PK, *coughs* DfS or just straight out outfarming attempt.

Let's say the PvP player calls *coughs* DFS to the PvE player. If the PvE player knows a way around that he would do anything to avoid any confrontation. But if he is unsuccessful, he would use what little PvP knowledge he has to fight back. The PvP player will try to provoke him in any way(in toxic way included). PvE players are frequently unhappy also being killed by "PvP players" when doing afk activities or just does lifeskill. I mentioned "PvP players" in quotes, because in reality and usually those are just players bored and have nothing better to do. Albeit a rare sight, it's possible to happen. Heck. I even considered exacting revenge on behalf the player that was AFK and couldn't defend himself. But pity I could never find those "PvP players". xD

There are bad(or even toxic) players in both aspects of the game mentioned above. My advice: Don't allow them to climb on your head and don't take the game too seriously. You can be better than them. I tried to word all the text as best as I could from two perspectives.

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 07:30 (UTC)
# 3

Thank you very much for your time! This is very educational and informative. Also, now I know what PVX is all about! Thanks a lot for that. :)

As a PVE / Life Skill myself, I always check my chat for any signs of DFS / Spot taken. I respect PVPers. But, as you said, there will always be bad (toxic) players. I try my best to type "I am changing server". But got killed at the end xD

Second, I did not know that "PvPer has three ways to initiate a dispute-by PK." That is something! Also, I do not try to out-farm another player. I got killed multiple times in a row once by a player. Never again. I lost count of how many times. T_T

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 10:08 (UTC)
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It can potentially happen sometimes.

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 10:37 (UTC)
# 5

 Actualy the question is kinda wrong. Its the believe from PvE players, but its not true. There are exceptions, but they go both ways. The most problems come from the point that some people play PvPvE game and othere believe that its only PvE or only PvP game. In a perfect game no player who play BDO should hate PvP or PvP because the game has it bouth, and the player should be one who dont mind any of the game fucntion. But ofc there people wiht diferent taste. Thats ok. The problem is that people who dont like any of the game modes thinks that no one should like them, and cant work. If people start to respect more other players and understand the nature of the game there wont be such topics.

 The bigest problems are griefers, and they are both PvP and PvE griefers. Since I like PvP I can hardly be griefed with PvP so my problem are PvE griefers. And its vice versa with PvE players. And since BDO has the fredom of play there are some situations that angers people who are not prepared and dont know how to act. Usualy game has the the tools to avoid the unwanted situation or to get help. But some people are stuborn in their believes and they dont want to do the right thing just becase they want to be they way. Thats both for PvE and PvP players.

 Sadly I believe more players dont want to accept that PvP is part of the BDO and they are more vocal.

So here comes the complain "Why Im insta killed"
 To be honest Ive been insta killed players. Its very rare for me to behave that way but it happens in two reasons. One if I see some member of guild that Ive been griefed before. I believe that guild members should stick to some behavior and bear the concequencess.

The other is when I farm and people comes and try to outgrind me/takes my spot. I usualy try to talk, but some people dont respond and try to grind over me. If they continue to do that after 3 rotations I attack. Now when you have 4-5 people with that behavior I get tired and the 6 get insta attacked. Happily those are rare. (I never try to take other peoples spot except if guild mission, but then I try to explain)
 And there are people who take advantege of the game been PvPvE and its easy for them just to go for spot and take it by force. Knowing that most people will not return and not call friends for help.

 As for killing lifeskillers, I never understand that. Until one guild mate, strongly PvE player go to PK some lifeskillers, just because he needed the spot....

So I would say that PvP players dont hate PvE players, its little more complicated, because many of the PKers are indeed PvE players. Ofc there people who are just bored, and there are griefers. And griefers are the biggest problem. But when is not proper game mechanic t deal with them they will exist. But with time you get to use with them, because they are rare.

 When you respect other people the game is way more smoother. And the knowledge that this is just a game ;)

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 11:03 (UTC)
# 6
On: Oct 19, 2022, 06:27 (UTC), Written by Lair360

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic. So please don't start a fight and get angry or hunt me down. To speak kindly, I just like to get a better perspective as to why PVP players really hates PVE and Life Skiller so much? Also, I am curious?

Second, I would like to understand and in the future explain to other players why and for other players to undertand the PVPer side. There has been a lot of conversation lately on Reddit and in-game... even hate discussion from PVPer to telling others that they don't care about PVE / Life Skills and even calling us "carebears". Don't get the wrong idea here. Please. I just like to be civilised and understand why? That is all.

Finally, the last question. As a PVE and Life Skiller myself, I know when to swap servers to avoid conflict. But most of the time, players just kill me first and said spot taken. Can any explain to me why kill first and said spot taken second? It's kind of wrong. But, it should be the other way round? Can someone explain?

Thank you for your time! :)

quite simple question actually, some pvp people loves attention and competitive interaction in the search for a ego boost, the simple tought of someone not intrested in giving them attention or interacting with them at all prevents them from achieving that "i am the king of the hill" feeling, in short, the cause is the need psychological reafirmation.

that said, there is pvp people that behave like decent human beings, so lets also remember that.

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 11:37 (UTC)
# 7

@IWalkAlone thanks for your time to write and provide more information. Thank you.

To be honest in my past, I do get PKed while life skilling. They normally attack me and ran off. Sometime, they just attack and say "Spot Taken". Then found out he / she has a guild mission to complete. The person was quite... strange. xD  I also said 'if you need the spot for guild mission, then why don't you say so? I would have given it to you since I don't have any guild mission'.


On some occasions, I saw players spawned in, I normally asked: are you on cooldown? Then I just swap servers for them and let them take my spot. A little bit of kindness goes a long way! I want other players to enjoy the game and not just myself.

But in the end, there are many who are just bored (just as you said) and griefers (on both sides).

I learn a lot today. Thanks, everyone!

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 12:21 (UTC)
# 8
On: Oct 19, 2022, 06:27 (UTC), Written by Lair360

I understand that this is a very sensitive topic. So please don't start a fight and get angry or hunt me down. To speak kindly, I just like to get a better perspective as to why PVP players really hates PVE and Life Skiller so much? Also, I am curious?

Second, I would like to understand and in the future explain to other players why and for other players to undertand the PVPer side. There has been a lot of conversation lately on Reddit and in-game... even hate discussion from PVPer to telling others that they don't care about PVE / Life Skills and even calling us "carebears". Don't get the wrong idea here. Please. I just like to be civilised and understand why? That is all.

Finally, the last question. As a PVE and Life Skiller myself, I know when to swap servers to avoid conflict. But most of the time, players just kill me first and said spot taken. Can any explain to me why kill first and said spot taken second? It's kind of wrong. But, it should be the other way round? Can someone explain?

Thank you for your time! :)

From my perspective, I see the open world PvPers as being slightly better than NPCs (non-playing AIs) that you kill  in the game.  They keep me on my toes... or at least they use to keep me alert.  It has been well over a year, since anyone has attacked my characters on the open road.  Generally PvP is not that good in MMO games with complex build trees.  This is why I PvP in other games and not here. 

Those who lack the skill set to PvP are drawn here because they can kill players who are not at the keyboard (AFK).  Apparently these "Player Killers" or PKers are so bad, they can't kill simple NPCs, they must prey upon people AFK fishing or training.  The first time I was AFK killed, I was standing on the road and I was talking to someone in the room with me and not looking at the screen.  However I didn't get mad about it.  They didn't get any reward or even a challenging fight.  I didn't lose anything either.  As time went on I either evaded them or I kicked their butt. 

To avoid PvP all together you must remain below level 50 at 49 and 100%.  While this will not allow you to awaken, it will allow that character to AFK train and fish anywhere you desire.  At least you are not a target on day one like other games.  When I play BDO, I am always in PvE mode and so far I only have 1 character my valkyrie Dyonious is 32 at the time of writing this, but I plan to get her to 60 or higher over time.  

To avoid PvP as you level from 50 to 61 and beyond, you need to stay away from AFK activities and off the main pathways.  Avoid the main route from Calpheon to Altinova and stay off the top servers on the list.  Select servers at the bottom of the listing.   Obtain descent gear, most of my characters wear between 275 to 300 DP.  At any point you get attacked hit V key to evade and then decide fight or flee.  Most of the PKers will flee or risk losing their armor enchantments for attacking you.

To sum up, I don't "hate" PvPers in this game.  I don't care for the AFK player killers, they are lame ducks, I just feel sorry for them.  I feel PvP could be done better without the builds.  If PvP is skill versus skill alone, everyone is on equal ground, then it would be more fun.  What I am talking about, already exists in games such as Apex Legends, where you drop into a battle without weapons or armor and must loot it. The player better at hiding and seeking out the better weapons first is going to be ahead of those who don't.

Have fun! 

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 12:41 (UTC)
# 9

Easy...
You see somone and you are like
CAN I ONE HIT HIM!
BAM!
:D

Dernière modification : 19 oct. 2022, 13:37 (UTC)
# 10

Well... The premise sounds excessive to me.

Pvp players don't hate pve players or lifeskillers, they simply have different ways of solving conflictual situations, and they may even get too quick on using pk sometimes, that's true. Calling that "hate" seems extreme though. 

But we shouldn't forget toxic players, problems often comes from them. 

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