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Cap Evasion.
17 déc. 2022, 13:41 (UTC)
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Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 13:42 (UTC)
# 1

Title: Cap Evasion
Family Name:  AtomicPotato

Region (NA/EU):  EU

Suggestion/Comments:  uncapped evasion is game breaking, classes that benefits from stacking evasion, those who have evasion passives become unkillable, its create huge cap between not only classes - for example awa DK can't land a hit on eva striker/musa - 100% miss rate, but also its create huge gap between new and veteran players. Evasion gear cheap and have nearly same DP as DP gear, while accuracy gear have insane prices and have sugnificantly lower AP.
Evasion must be capped same way resistance capped, make evasion be equal to DP - do nothing.
Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 14:28 (UTC)
# 2

Evasion is already caped to 90%

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Hnnie
Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 15:13 (UTC)
# 3

Wishes Shai had evasion passives, we got like one active and its a short timer and small buff so we can't use it for anything outside of pve. Dats k tho cuz we got a dance and we're gonna be sharing our instruments soon, prob our dances too but its okay cuz its okay.

Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 15:28 (UTC)
# 4
On: Dec 17, 2022, 14:28 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Evasion is already caped to 90%

yes, that sounds very balanced and " shortening gaps", you still have 10% to get hit lmao, rolls on every hit, gl winning 10% rolls. While on DP you have even less than 10% chance to survive after getting CCed (you don't you just die in 1 CC because who know how DP works)

Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 20:34 (UTC)
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new suggestion : lower the Evasion cap, the 90% is too high people are litterally immune to everything even if you hit them with evasion debuffs you still get all Misses on screen, otherwise bring back the 100% accuracy on skills that would be helpfull

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Dernière modification : 17 déc. 2022, 21:07 (UTC)
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On: Dec 17, 2022, 15:27 (UTC), Written by Potato

yes, that sounds very balanced and " shortening gaps", you still have 10% to get hit lmao, rolls on every hit, gl winning 10% rolls. While on DP you have even less than 10% chance to survive after getting CCed (you don't you just die in 1 CC because who know how DP works)

Well that depens on class and build, if u build accuracy then u can counter it.

Ofc if the devs would have experience and knowledge in the own job, then evasion would have diminishing returns like how it works in higher quality games, so evasion would not scale exponentially, but that's unlikely to happen here.

Achtually DR also sales exponentially, you just need a lot of it to see it. Meawhile both AP and accuracy gets weaker and weaker the more you have it.

(Also note here that if PA would buff DR just as those clueless wannables want to, then we would see the same AIDS with the DR stackers as we can see with the eva memers.)

Also a normal eva build player VS a another properly built player do not hit 90% eva rate. Only full DP meme builds can hit such high eva where the cap even matters, or if the defender significantly outgear the attacker.

Yeah there are classes whitch have too strong eva self buffs and those classes are better with eva, but that is a class balance issue, puting a cap on it is not a proper solution, that is a bandaid. Nerfing the said class would be the correct solution.

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Dernière modification : 18 déc. 2022, 08:06 (UTC)
# 7
On: Dec 17, 2022, 21:07 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Well that depens on class and build, if u build accuracy then u can counter it.

Ofc if the devs would have experience and knowledge in the own job, then evasion would have diminishing returns like how it works in higher quality games, so evasion would not scale exponentially, but that's unlikely to happen here.

Achtually DR also sales exponentially, you just need a lot of it to see it. Meawhile both AP and accuracy gets weaker and weaker the more you have it.

(Also note here that if PA would buff DR just as those clueless wannables want to, then we would see the same AIDS with the DR stackers as we can see with the eva memers.)

Also a normal eva build player VS a another properly built player do not hit 90% eva rate. Only full DP meme builds can hit such high eva where the cap even matters, or if the defender significantly outgear the attacker.

Yeah there are classes whitch have too strong eva self buffs and those classes are better with eva, but that is a class balance issue, puting a cap on it is not a proper solution, that is a bandaid. Nerfing the said class would be the correct solution.

Bla bla bla, GM on other thread said that DP is trash because they want short gap between players and here you are defending Evasion that create enormous gap between same players.

On: Dec 17, 2022, 20:34 (UTC), Written by Wishran

new suggestion : lower the Evasion cap, the 90% is too high people are litterally immune to everything even if you hit them with evasion debuffs you still get all Misses on screen, otherwise bring back the 100% accuracy on skills that would be helpfull

They removed 100% accuracy skills because its was exposing not working DP, because you can make a video how evasion stacker tank whole army and PA will say "look there is no 1 shots in game".

Dernière modification : 18 déc. 2022, 08:36 (UTC)
# 8

The foundamental issue is that evasion gear scales better than dr counterpart, when you can stack evasion to 1300 but you can only stack dr up to 800 (that's with whale and being on a shield class), on top of evasion buffs are percentage based where as dr buffs are point based.

pure defense accessories should not give any sort of accuracy such as centaurus, cadry, etc. And hybrid accessories such as sicil, arc, orkinrad, etc should not give the same amount as pure ap, just like how accessory accessories give less ap and offin give less accuracy.

The tankier a player build, the less damage they should do, the more damage a player build, the faster they should die, it's just fair balancing.

Dernière modification : 18 déc. 2022, 13:03 (UTC)
# 9
On: Dec 18, 2022, 08:35 (UTC), Written by PootyPoot

on top of evasion buffs are percentage based where as dr buffs are point based.

That don't matter, since evasion % doesn't increase your evasion rating by the % but the chance to dodge the attack. They could change each 1% of evasion buffs to give 5 evasion rating instead and it would be the same.

On: Dec 18, 2022, 08:35 (UTC), Written by PootyPoot

pure defense accessories should not give any sort of accuracy such as centaurus, cadry, etc. And hybrid accessories such as sicil, arc, orkinrad, etc should not give the same amount as pure ap, just like how accessory accessories give less ap and offin give less accuracy.

That is true that the stats on items are basically random without any kind of logic, but there is no real chance that PA ever fix it, they don't even understand how they should work btw.

On: Dec 18, 2022, 08:35 (UTC), Written by PootyPoot

The tankier a player build, the less damage they should do, the more damage a player build, the faster they should die, it's just fair balancing.

Yeah that's how it should be, but there is not much tradeoff currently. One solution would be moving some of the AP from the lower brackets to higher ones, so getting defensive offparts would actually impact the damage.

https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=27643

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Dernière modification : 18 déc. 2022, 14:37 (UTC)
# 10

Like catDK said evasion is capped at 90%

In addition there is only so much evasion you can purchase and the ethereal earrings at pen only give 3 more evasion at the cost of 65 billion so evasion is actually limited too much.

As I've said numerous times ALL evasion passives should be removed as it gives way too much room to stack ap.

Without passives, evasion build is hard, and you need a second build for pve. So not cheap like all say

Evasion accessories need to be buffed, evasion classes need to be nerfed, look at Lunar neck best tradeoff in game 4 ap for 28 accuracy, what does evasion get? 3 evasion per ap if you're lucky 

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