what point ? Where are your argument based on BDO systemic functionments ?

since more than a month you just strawman around with your low cost reddit troll level -like attempt at empty talk like if it will help make your wet dream become a reality.

You are just a clown not smart enough to have what you attempt to do work as you are spoted since a WHILE now. ( the saddest part of that, is you keep insist on the same path like if magicaly it would change anything. )

So either you have real argument to have a conversation that worth more than the emptyness you are producing each time you type something here.

or become adult enough to quit your BS that doesnt hold a second. ( and if you cant accept that your BDO dream is just a dream and not the reality, i'am sure you could find psy competent enough to help you during that process )

TL;DR once again the bad clown tried to strike again.

Either again demonstrating how your concept understanding is low & limited.

Or that you are just a sad troll as you keep on purpose fallicously ignoring somes game reality to try to have your "how i dream BDO" look like a reality.

In both situation, you are just not smart enough to have what you attempt to do work.

You mean after all thoses talk you keep try to strawman and pretend to not know what "owpvp to control a spot" will only work if the 2 ( or more ) players agree on the player made up rules that "pk will determine who keep the spot"

And you still try to conveniently omit the reality where, if a player choose to not agree with "if pked he leave the spot" the "owpvp" will make you control jack sh#t.

Meaning after all thoses talk you are still unable to understand the difference between : On a systemic level & It only depend on player agreement.

As the "owpvp spot control" depend on player "agreement" but on a systemic level just never existed ( otherwise you couldnt complain about what you call "karmabombing" or wouldnt attempt to suggest that the pked player suffer from whatever penalty )

Crappy point attempt answered, and corrected.

leading to always the same thing : BDO systems dont need forced pk to function & be, forced pk only beeing dependant on "player wish"  so have no reasons to be imposed to players not willing it.

Which means it is a good system for both types of players to coexist in.  And it is...once again, unless one is an asshole or a moron.  And I don't want a system that caters to either of those groups of people thanks.

What point? Every point, for several months now. That's even why you are on your loop and so aggressive for so long. 

Double quote of my answers, without any message from me between them? It smells like despair, right? XD

Correct, this middle way is still a better choice for players, I don't think so many players are purely PvE or PvP on this game. We should think of it as a cursor between both aspects, not like a PvP/PvE switch.

Though obviously, it could be better. Like many things in life. Still we need a reworked karma system to ensure the existence of owpvp, the protection against excessive behaviours, and a better control over the penalties for any side.

What's nice is that they reworked the GW dec system in a way that protects smaller clans against obvious abuses, so they seem to be in the right mindset for this work, but we'll see! 

This is either how disconnected with reality you are or how dishonest you are.  Clans that normally shouldn't be able to WarDec on another guild still can. I saw it everyday. It got so bad for us that we lost members for it. Most of those members quit BDO. We was a supposed undec'able guild. Do you know what those guilds did? They dropped all their decs so that the system would reconize them as a undec'able guild. Did you know that a undec'able guild can dec on another undec'able?

This is the stuff we are pointing out against you. You act like you know everything. Give no viable evidence to support your claims. Actually when you do give supporting evidence, it's usually against what you just said. Then you turn around and do the whole "your word against my word" troll.

Now I'll state it again. BDO offers no relief or protection to "non-established players." The whole monetization model here is that "established players" can freely grief "non-established players." It is designed so that "non-established players" are inconvenienced at every turn. To try to force their hands to either pay to become "established players" themselves, or be content for the "established players." 

Everything else is a facade that systems are in place to help the "non-established players". When instead you see many systems in this game. That greatly empowers "established players" to grief and harass the rest. The Navel Karma, Valencia Prison, and Mob Feeding are huge examples of this in play.

I'm actually starting to believe that you are not trolling, and is serious. And that makes me want to pity you greatly. How can someone be so disconnected from reality as you are?

Check the recent Glab changes about war declarations, then think about who is really disconnected. No need to apologize, mistakes can happen. 

Imainge thinking 1 million silver every 24 hours is doing anything about guild abusing the War Dec system. That's less than a small guild mission. Now I know you was banking on me not going to verify. But you are extremely silly if you believe 1 million + 1% of total guild bank is going to change anything.

If they actually wanted to help with that. They would've made 25 million silver a day. With each day each day adding 3% of their total bank. So day 5 of the war would cost the dec'ing guild 25 Mil + 15% of their total guild bank. Also make it so if it has a full week cooldown before it reset.

Again this is what I was talking about with these facades. They trick the fools into believing they are going to help them. When in fact they do nothing to the affect.

This is either how disconnected with reality you are or how dishonest you are.  Clans that normally shouldn't be able to WarDec on another guild still can. I saw it everyday. It got so bad for us that we lost members for it. Most of those members quit BDO. We was a supposed undec'able guild. Do you know what those guilds did? They dropped all their decs so that the system would reconize them as a undec'able guild. Did you know that a undec'able guild can dec on another undec'able?

This is the stuff we are pointing out against you. You act like you know everything. Give no viable evidence to support your claims. Actually when you do give supporting evidence, it's usually against what you just said. Then you turn around and do the whole "your word against my word" troll.

Now I'll state it again. BDO offers no relief or protection to "non-established players." The whole monetization model here is that "established players" can freely grief "non-established players." It is designed so that "non-established players" are inconvenienced at every turn. To try to force their hands to either pay to become "established players" themselves, or be content for the "established players." 

Everything else is a facade that systems are in place to help the "non-established players". When instead you see many systems in this game. That greatly empowers "established players" to grief and harass the rest. The Navel Karma, Valencia Prison, and Mob Feeding are huge examples of this in play.

I'm actually starting to believe that you are not trolling, and is serious. And that makes me want to pity you greatly. How can someone be so disconnected from reality as you are?

No, I was thinking you would check then try another stunt. Bingo.

But in the end, you attacked me because you didn't know it, and you keep on attacking me then when you realized your ignorance. That's constructive, once more... 

My goodness I said nothing in that last post your quote that was a attack on you. It was directly attacking the statement you was making prior. And again you are being very dishonest, if you say what they got on the Global Labs. Is going to pervent abuse through War Dec'ing. They are not charging 1 Million silver a hour to Dec. They are charging 1 Million silver a day to dec.

Any guild with more than 2 active people in it. Can do 1 small Guild Mission and be covered for the day. Which takes no more than 30 minutes. Meanwhile they can bypass the Karma system virtually for free, and grief others for a full day. See how silly of a prevention system that sounds. It might as well not even exist.