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Dear PEARL ABYSS
3 mars 2023, 15:23 (UTC)
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Dernière modification : 3 mars 2023, 15:23 (UTC)
# 1

I play MMOS for like 15 years now (40-50 hours weekly) so I've seen it all..

This game is my favourite MMO of all time but sadly it has it's cons.
1. pve balance is horrible
So in PvE some OP classes can pull like 10-20%~ more silve/hour as other weaker classes and I think this is wrong. PA should balance PvE perfectly atleast for end game spots. This is a game where end game is about farming 10 000 hours to upgrade an item so we can't afford classes with +-20% clear speed running around. It's really easy to balance unlike PvP, just test perfect rotation on every class on the best end game spot and increase/decrease drop % depenging on class and clear speed.
2. pet system is bad

I don't think i have to explain this. It is totally P2W and F2P players have to suffer to manually loot on high density grind spots for a very long time until they can achieve enough T4 pets from rewards/market.

3. gear progression system is bad

The end game gear (fallengod armors) are non sense. 1300b to upgrade them from +4 to +5 WITH AVG RNG.. I think everyone agrees that having this low enchantment chances is not fun and fair because there can be a cost diff of 1000-2000% like what.. Please add more stages of gear progression in the future and make the enchantments higher % ofc you can make the price higher too the point is here to reduce the insanely heavy RNG 0.0xxx%...
4. catch up mechanics overtuned

People can catch up way too easily in BDO to veteran players. Why should the OG player spend 10 000 hours grinding if that time will be worth 2000 hours a few years later? That doesn't make sense to me. Some catch up mechanic is fine but getting 600GS in 2 weeks and PA upping silver/h from 100-200m/h to 1b/h is just horrible. What's the point of investing time and energy if it will be 5x easier to achieve the same thing some time later?
There are many more problems I have with this game but these are the main ones.
This game is amazing don't get me wrong but it could be much better sadly.
I hope PA takes a turn in the right direction about this.

Dernière modification : 3 mars 2023, 19:31 (UTC)
# 2
On: Mar 3, 2023, 15:23 (UTC), Written by easypro

3. gear progression system is bad

The end game gear (fallengod armors) are non sense. 1300b to upgrade them from +4 to +5 WITH AVG RNG.. I think everyone agrees that having this low enchantment chances is not fun and fair because there can be a cost diff of 1000-2000% like what.. Please add more stages of gear progression in the future and make the enchantments higher % ofc you can make the price higher too the point is here to reduce the insanely heavy RNG 0.0xxx%..

U don't enchance PEN FG, that is not part of the progression. And it costs more than what you wrote here on avarage, but I agree that they should up the chance to 1% at 300fs.

On: Mar 3, 2023, 15:23 (UTC), Written by easypro

2. pet system is bad

I don't think i have to explain this. It is totally P2W and F2P players have to suffer to manually loot on high density grind spots for a very long time until they can achieve enough T4 pets from rewards/market.

This is a F2P game, and regardless what some dumb clowns screech this is also a P2W game. That's where you pay the cost of the game.

Regardless they improved the pet situation a lot. It was much worse, nowdays they give you a lot of pets for free.

On: Mar 3, 2023, 15:23 (UTC), Written by easypro

People can catch up way too easily in BDO to veteran players. Why should the OG player spend 10 000 hours grinding if that time will be worth 2000 hours a few years later? That doesn't make sense to me. Some catch up mechanic is fine but getting 600GS in 2 weeks and PA upping silver/h from 100-200m/h to 1b/h is just horrible. What's the point of investing time and energy if it will be 5x easier to achieve the same thing some time later?
There are many more problems I have with this game but these are the main ones.
This game is amazing don't get me wrong but it could be much better sadly.
I hope PA takes a turn in the right direction about this.

If you look around, some whiteknights was very loud in the past about how bdo is better than other mmos cause it respects your progress, guess this didn't aged well kek

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Dernière modification : 5 mars 2023, 03:51 (UTC)
# 3

Not even a month ago it was a single op classe in pve for the whole game

It was even mandatory for some group content.. either you play it or you get out..
Now we have more and more classes that manage to compete with the S... you should be happy about it and ask that other classes can also reach the same performance instead of asking for a nerf / limit loot

Dernière modification : 5 mars 2023, 17:48 (UTC)
# 4
On: Mar 3, 2023, 19:30 (UTC), Written by CatDK

If you look around, some whiteknights was very loud in the past about how bdo is better than other mmos cause it respects your progress, guess this didn't aged well kek

Don't encourage a nonsense, please. 

If you get a high GS before the others, you get a benefit from it. 

If you keep progressing while playing regularly, NO, new players won't catch up to you easily.

And if you had a really good gear but stopped progressing, why should you stay ahead ?

So, if you spent 10k hours before to get your gear some years ago, think about what kind of gear you should have after 10k hours now. Let's compare what can be compared. 

Dernière modification : 5 mars 2023, 18:05 (UTC)
# 5
On: Mar 5, 2023, 17:48 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

Don't encourage a nonsense, please. 

If you get a high GS before the others, you get a benefit from it. 

If you keep progressing while playing regularly, NO, new players won't catch up to you easily.

And if you had a really good gear but stopped progressing, why should you stay ahead ?

So, if you spent 10k hours before to get your gear some years ago, think about what kind of gear you should have after 10k hours now. Let's compare what can be compared. 

Try play the game, progressing now easy as F, getting 700GS nowadays is like getting 550  last year, after ~730GS you can't get any more GS realistically, and there is zero benefits from gear after ~700GS.

Dernière modification : 5 mars 2023, 21:52 (UTC)
# 6
On: Mar 5, 2023, 18:05 (UTC), Written by Potato

Try play the game, progressing now easy as F, getting 700GS nowadays is like getting 550  last year, after ~730GS you can't get any more GS realistically, and there is zero benefits from gear after ~700GS.

No benefits after 700? Must be a gearlet.  309 ap last major bracket and 401 dp last bracket. 710 gs maybe ,700 nope.

Dernière modification : 6 mars 2023, 06:15 (UTC)
# 7
On: Mar 3, 2023, 15:23 (UTC), Written by easypro

I play MMOS for like 15 years now (40-50 hours weekly) so I've seen it all..

This game is my favourite MMO of all time but sadly it has it's cons.
1. pve balance is horrible
So in PvE some OP classes can pull like 10-20%~ more silve/hour as other weaker classes and I think this is wrong. PA should balance PvE perfectly atleast for end game spots. This is a game where end game is about farming 10 000 hours to upgrade an item so we can't afford classes with +-20% clear speed running around. It's really easy to balance unlike PvP, just test perfect rotation on every class on the best end game spot and increase/decrease drop % depenging on class and clear speed.

Well... I am going to say that several class specialisations are just underperforming and I am going to agree.
2. pet system is bad

I don't think i have to explain this. It is totally P2W and F2P players have to suffer to manually loot on high density grind spots for a very long time until they can achieve enough T4 pets from rewards/market.

It used to be bad. Nowadays it's easy to get pets from quests (if the storyline quests still give such) or frequent giveaways. Even T3 seem to be enough. But T4 is definetly better.

3. gear progression system is bad

The end game gear (fallengod armors) are non sense. 1300b to upgrade them from +4 to +5 WITH AVG RNG.. I think everyone agrees that having this low enchantment chances is not fun and fair because there can be a cost diff of 1000-2000% like what.. Please add more stages of gear progression in the future and make the enchantments higher % ofc you can make the price higher too the point is here to reduce the insanely heavy RNG 0.0xxx%...

Althought I dislike the RNG too it's highly unlikely we'll get rid of it. Can they at least boost up a little bit the chance? Not to a point that it would be that ez?
4. catch up mechanics overtuned

People can catch up way too easily in BDO to veteran players. Why should the OG player spend 10 000 hours grinding if that time will be worth 2000 hours a few years later? That doesn't make sense to me. Some catch up mechanic is fine but getting 600GS in 2 weeks and PA upping silver/h from 100-200m/h to 1b/h is just horrible. What's the point of investing time and energy if it will be 5x easier to achieve the same thing some time later?

Pretty much. Easy to catch up. And it keeps getting even more for no real reason. They're focusing to fix a problem, where there is none.

IMO I as a veteran begin to believe that if I get my top gear someday it would become meaningless and I have yet to see that dream. How are they going to reward the older players is the question I have all the time.
There are many more problems I have with this game but these are the main ones.
This game is amazing don't get me wrong but it could be much better sadly.
I hope PA takes a turn in the right direction about this.

My answers in bold letters.

Dernière modification : 6 mars 2023, 08:28 (UTC)
# 8
On: Mar 5, 2023, 21:52 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

No benefits after 700? Must be a gearlet.  309 ap last major bracket and 401 dp last bracket. 710 gs maybe ,700 nope.

That is class dependant tho. Higher tier classes do benefit from hardcap gear, but there are also ones where defensive stats doesn't matter much.

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Dernière modification : 6 mars 2023, 14:11 (UTC)
# 9
On: Mar 3, 2023, 15:23 (UTC), Written by easypro

[...]

4. catch up mechanics overtuned

People can catch up way too easily in BDO to veteran players. Why should the OG player spend 10 000 hours grinding if that time will be worth 2000 hours a few years later? That doesn't make sense to me. Some catch up mechanic is fine but getting 600GS in 2 weeks and PA upping silver/h from 100-200m/h to 1b/h is just horrible. What's the point of investing time and energy if it will be 5x easier to achieve the same thing some time later?
[...]

Then there is no point to ever recruit new players, ensuring a game's demise. If they can never "catch up" because they weren't there from the start, there's no reason to ever start.

This statement also completely undermines and flatout ignores changes a game will go through in that time.

Remember when +15 was end game, when PRI, DUO, TRI, TET and PEN didn't even exist in the game yet?
Remember when boss gear was hard to get? Black market events were huge then because of how hard boss gear was hard to obtain.

Remember when getting just TRI boss gear was considered softcap?

Remember when fs functioned exactly like manos do now? No idea what the chance was, multiple stones eaten and durability was still lost.


Now imagine all of these things were still true because they were intimidated by someone essentially saying, "please don't invalidate all of my hardwork." Do you think you haven't benefitted from exactly what you are complaining about? Understand what you are asking and being read by even older players than you.

All of your other points I find to be reasonable.

Dernière modification : 6 mars 2023, 11:48 (UTC)
# 10
On: Mar 5, 2023, 18:05 (UTC), Written by Potato

Try play the game, progressing now easy as F, getting 700GS nowadays is like getting 550  last year, after ~730GS you can't get any more GS realistically, and there is zero benefits from gear after ~700GS.

Keyword is "easy". You can go hardcore and reach 700+ GS in a shorter amount of time than before, but it does not make it "easy".

And no, you can't compare it with "550 last year" . 

And 0 benefit after 700 GS? Check again, I'm pretty sure you can find more exaggerations to make in your suitcase. 

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