Lol.  Good luck on Ashes of Creation

Yeah, this happens to often idk might be a cancel culture thing

Yep, at least putting a limit to endless senseless one-sided wars was not a bad idea.

Patch note translation on BDFoundry :

https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/global-lab-updates-15th-april-2021/#War_Declaration_Changes

(on a side note, bounty system arrived on glab 2 weeks after that)

And all guilds became deccable shortly after (still on glab) :

https://www.blackdesertfoundry.com/global-lab-updates-13th-may-2021/#Guild_War_Dec_Change

Ask the developers of New World why they changed the game from open pvp + full loot right after the first tests by adding a simple pve / pvp switch. Answer is simple: because they saw how toxic pvp players are. As they once reported: 95% of New World players play in pve mode.

Sadalsuud.

Yes I know, read about it.

Actually your mistaken an have outdated information on New World :o 

Also i bet you didnt know the economy crash was because the game  was fully designed around full item drops on death so they added PvE mode an screwed their own economy. 

Also if PvP players are toxic can i ask the views on carebears? The ones who try to change the structure of a game because they use uninformed assumptions about the game? Even if they have been playing three years?

Edit: Cant imagine playing a game three years then wanting to change everything about it because you want to hate the game :o

I like the idea of having a PvP-disabled server. I think that will solve the issue you are talking about. I have been on both sides of the argument here. I've been the one demanded to DFS and I lose my spot to someone more geared. I have also been the one who has had lower-geared players try to take my spot so I flag and kill them and then they take off their gear and karma bomb me. So I understand both struggles. I totally support a PvP-disabled server would be great for those who want to avoid PvP at their grind spot.

BDO PVP is dumb because it's entitled people who come and challenge your spot. If you say no they cry to their guild and declare war against you and will make up a story about it. You lose your spot, buffs, time, etc... If this game didn't have buffs, it would be a different story. But buffs can cost money, real money. This is the root of why PvP is problematic and why people don't want to lose their spots.

Sure, BDO could support a no XP loss party system where people could grind together in harmony but there are people adamantly defending PA and saying they don't want that for whatever reason. I'm guessing they prefer griefing / being toxic but that's just my interpretation on their opinion.

Open world PVP doesn't work in a game like BDO and it never will. The only purpose it still serves is to give a reason for people to spend real money to gamble on RNG mechanics to get better gear. I play a full loot MMO and I don't complain but BDO is a MMORPG with over 20 classes, there's no balance and no sense to why this system should be acceptable as good, fun gameplay. It isn't. People who think it is are either griefers are still living in denial. Thankfully I have seldom been DFS or griefed out of the blue but years ago I could take two steps out of town and get murdered. It was nuts. I'm happy there aren't many active players anymore, I can actually go out and grind.

Just split servers into arsha only and pve only so that we can be done with those topics... Unlimited open world pvp for those that want it and a griefing grinding over eachother fiesta for others.

Except that, with this idea, you screw the players who were looking for a pvpve game with regulated owpvp. That's a common mistake in these topics, some people suggest to seperate players between Free For All pvpve servers and pure pve servers, but what BDO needs is exactly the contrary : one type of servers with a real good set of rules for owpvp. 

Somehow I think I play a different game that many other players. As a Shai I dont dfs and I dont declare war on ppl...but actual the last time somebody even asked for a dfs was like over a year ago now.

The last time I rando got PKed on a spot was like 2 years ago.

I try to grind every day, but you have 1h in privat server without any problem anyway. And after that: We have so many servers and spots now. Like I mostly not even see players while grinding elvia spots anymore. Orcs, Hexe, Quint...never had a problem finding a spot there tbh since the Elvia changes.

And before the changes when it was really full? I just switched spots if somebody came, or switched servers. I never had any problem to grind as long as I dont want the Main-Spot everywhere.

Oc I cant be sure about non elvia spots, cause I wasnt there in forever now.

For all ppl that say: there is arsha for pvp: 

ye there is 1 Arsha channel and tbh its more for finding ppl that want to open world pvp than really grind at this point. If 50% of all channel would be arsha channel, you would be right. But saying that all ppl that dont have a problem with owpvp should grind arsha is kinda not doable when those ppl actual want to grind. The whole cocept of dfs and open world pvp is to get the option to grind more effective, so having all ppl on arsha would make that impossible.

Best solution propably would be to make 50:50 Arsha and PvE Servers. I mean sorry to say that but the moment ppl will ne forced to share their grindspot they will understand why its shit to need to share them. 

This game was always an open world pvp game than even got watered down a lot over time. Not losing XP anymore in PvP death, nun warable guilds, so many more servers and spots to grind on...if you find you have problem with getting into PvP in a forced way, you guys might want to consider, that you eighter did choose the wrong game (where the endgame is literal pvp) or that you just need to be a little more adaptabel and choose your spot better.