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Mastery Sailing Tool
05. Jul 2021, 09:08 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Sep 2023, 08:39 (UTC)
# 11

With that i totally agree. 
Sailing has many many problems and needa  lot of tweaking to make it ok. Some simple fixes most of the time.
your idea is great (and you're not the first one to suggest it) just the effects you proposed are too strong. i was a bit mean... it was late :'(

Your intentions are good, but sadly, they don't listen. I'm not even sure they read this until they decide by themselves to change something. 
threads with 2k+ votes and still no answer on them :/

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Lv Privat
NotFluffy
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 07. Sep 2023, 15:39 (UTC)
# 12

     While I agree some sort of item that compares to the riding crop I feel the proposed stats would negate the work that most of the sailors have put into upgrading accessories, clothing, crystals, sailors and gear. I still would like to see some benefit from the sextant BUT propose more along thge lines of the following.

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: 25@base to +15 with 25 added at Pri, Duo etc to end up at 150 mastery @ PEN

Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: Change to Sailor Exp  5% @ base scaled to 20% at PEN

Sea Creatures Item Drop Rate: 5% @ base scaled to 20% @ PEN

There is no need to break the system with one item but would like to see some sort of item that would provide alternate ways to increase some aspect of sailing.  Ocean content needs a LOT of work so even a lesser item than I proposed is better than nothing at all.  All ideas should be brought to the table in hopes the PA gods will at least take notice.  You can not please everyone BUT some sort of content update is needed and at least they are trying given the recent added area of the Margoria Pirate Fleet.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 09. Sep 2023, 15:59 (UTC)
# 13
On: Sep 7, 2023, 12:55 (UTC), Written by Shahkahn

     While I agree some sort of item that compares to the riding crop I feel the proposed stats would negate the work that most of the sailors have put into upgrading accessories, clothing, crystals, sailors and gear. I still would like to see some benefit from the sextant BUT propose more along thge lines of the following.

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: 25@base to +15 with 25 added at Pri, Duo etc to end up at 150 mastery @ PEN

Sailor EXP: Scaled from 5% at base to 30% @ PEN

Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: Change to Sailor Exp  5% @ base scaled to 20% at PEN

Sea Monster Loot Drop Rate Increase: 5% @ base scaled to 20% @ PEN

Sea Creatures Item Drop Rate & Amount: 5% @ base scaled to 20% @ PEN

There is no need to break the system with one item but would like to see some sort of item that would provide alternate ways to increase some aspect of sailing.  Ocean content needs a LOT of work so even a lesser item than I proposed is better than nothing at all.  All ideas should be brought to the table in hopes the PA gods will at least take notice.  You can not please everyone BUT some sort of content update is needed and at least they are trying given the recent added area of the Margoria Pirate Fleet.

I've been playing around with Garmoth.com and the 400 Mastery is a must as it's litterely immpossible to get 2000 Sailing Mastery without having a PEN Tool for 400 Mastery like all other Life Skill Tools that are ingame. By Being Master 1 Sailor (=405 Mastery) having PEN Manos Sailor's Clothes (+400), 6/6 TET Manos Accessories (+570), 16 Mastery Crystals (+160), x2 Mastery Artifact (+20), Mastery Lighstone set (+50), Khan's Heart: Life (+25) & Seafood Cron Meal (+25) would result in 1655 having a massive gap to 2000 even if you had PEN Manos Accessories it wouldn't be reachable, the other stats that are included in the Manos Sextant should be reduced but the PEN 400 Mastery is a must.

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VMora
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 13. Sep 2023, 00:42 (UTC)
# 14

ok, pirate here. i think the mastery tool makes sense and should be added for any lifeskill that lacks them
a couple of tweaks:
-dont add 20% speed. this will just make desync/load screens more frequent. boats are pretty balanced as is
-sailor stat growth chance is fine
-drop rate is not required
-perhaps add something for bartering like even more parrley consumption/ coin gain
-ration reduction is fine too
-maby a feature to set waypoints to ocean nodes while equipped. (it is a sextant afterall)

Looking forward to hearing others ideas.


Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 14. Sep 2023, 10:08 (UTC)
# 15

I like all of these changes. The only other issue I have with sailing/bartering that can be addressed by a tool would be the refresh cooldown. We can burn all our parley in an hour or less then we have to wait 3 hours before refresh. We can instant refresh once a day with value pack without reducing the total number of trade refreshes we can do.

So I would like to suggest the addition of +50 Barter Refresh points at PEN for a total of 150 for non value pack users and 200 with value pack. This would allow us to do 1 regular trade item refresh (20) and 2 instant trade item refreshes (70 + 80). You could also do triple instant refreshes if you're on cooldown right at the time of refresh (50 + 70 + 80).

If I have to trade it for one of the current suggested perks:

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: +400(PEN)
Sailor EXP: +20%
Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: +20%
Rquiered Parley for Barter: -15%
Bonus Parley Points after each "Barter Refresh": +200,000
Ration Consumption: -20%

I would most likely choose to replace the Required Parley for Barter: -15%. We already get parley reduction from our Barter levels and also Value Pack, and with the suggested 200k Parley increase would just seem unneccessary. We can already increase our total parley by 250k with lootscrolls once every 4 hours, but that would contradict the idea of instant refreshes to just knock out all our bartering for the day and move on, so I'd like to see the +200k per refresh to stick around or just remove the cooldown on the vouchers but limit it to 1 voucher per reset instead of 1 voucher every 4 hours.

EDIT: Maybe reducing the total amount of points required for instant refresh by 30 at PEN would also do the same thing but less clunky? Either solution would be fine. I like +30 at PEN so that it's not a requirement to get a PEN tool.

Manos Sextant

PEN -30 points:  20 + 40 + 50 = 110
TET -25 points:   20 + 45 + 55 = 120
TRI - 20 points:   20 + 50 + 60 = 130
DUO -15 points: 20 + 55 + 65 = 140
PRI -10 points    20 + 60 + 70 = 150

This would also mean you would still need a value pack if you want to do all 3 trade item refreshes and it gives incentive to getting a PEN tool so you can also an extra 1x Ship Material refresh each day.

Extra numbers for concept:

Loggia Sextant

PEN -10 points: 20 + 60 + 70 = 150
TET -8 points: 20 + 62 + 72 = 154 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 62 (Ship Material) + 62 (Trade item) = 144)
TRI -6 points 20 + 64 + 74 = 158 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 64 (Ship Material) + 64 (Trade item) = 148)
DUO -4 points: 20 + 66 + 76 = 162 (Only 1 instant refresh)
PRI -2 points: 20 + 68 + 78 = 166 (Only 1 instant refresh)

Ravikel Sextant


PEN -20 points: 20 + 50 + 60 = 130
TET -16 points: 20 + 54 + 64 = 138
TRI -12 points: 20 + 58 + 68 = 146

DUO -8 points: 20 + 62 + 72 = 154 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 62 (Ship Material) + 62 (Trade item) = 144)
PRI: -4 points: -4 points: 20 + 66 + 76 = 162 (Only 1 instant refresh)

Lv Privat
Whoayeah
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 14. Sep 2023, 12:49 (UTC)
# 16
On: Sep 14, 2023, 09:13 (UTC), Written by Whoayeah

I like all of these changes. The only other issue I have with sailing/bartering that can be addressed by a tool would be the refresh cooldown. We can burn all our parley in an hour or less then we have to wait 3 hours before refresh. We can instant refresh once a day with value pack without reducing the total number of trade refreshes we can do.

So I would like to suggest the addition of +50 Barter Refresh points at PEN for a total of 150 for non value pack users and 200 with value pack. This would allow us to do 1 regular trade item refresh (20) and 2 instant trade item refreshes (70 + 80). You could also do triple instant refreshes if you're on cooldown right at the time of refresh (50 + 70 + 80).

If I have to trade it for one of the current suggested perks:

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: +400(PEN)
Sailor EXP: +20%
Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: +20%
Rquiered Parley for Barter: -15%
Bonus Parley Points after each "Barter Refresh": +200,000
Ration Consumption: -20%

I would most likely choose to replace the Required Parley for Barter: -15%. We already get parley reduction from our Barter levels and also Value Pack, and with the suggested 200k Parley increase would just seem unneccessary. We can already increase our total parley by 250k with lootscrolls once every 4 hours, but that would contradict the idea of instant refreshes to just knock out all our bartering for the day and move on, so I'd like to see the +200k per refresh to stick around or just remove the cooldown on the vouchers but limit it to 1 voucher per reset instead of 1 voucher every 4 hours.

EDIT: Maybe reducing the total amount of points required for instant refresh by 30 at PEN would also do the same thing but less clunky? Either solution would be fine. I like +30 at PEN so that it's not a requirement to get a PEN tool.

Manos Sextant

PEN -30 points:  20 + 40 + 50 = 110
TET -25 points:   20 + 45 + 55 = 120
TRI - 20 points:   20 + 50 + 60 = 130
DUO -15 points: 20 + 55 + 65 = 140
PRI -10 points    20 + 60 + 70 = 150

This would also mean you would still need a value pack if you want to do all 3 trade item refreshes and it gives incentive to getting a PEN tool so you can also an extra 1x Ship Material refresh each day.

Extra numbers for concept:

Loggia Sextant

PEN -10 points: 20 + 60 + 70 = 150
TET -8 points: 20 + 62 + 72 = 154 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 62 (Ship Material) + 62 (Trade item) = 144)
TRI -6 points 20 + 64 + 74 = 158 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 64 (Ship Material) + 64 (Trade item) = 148)
DUO -4 points: 20 + 66 + 76 = 162 (Only 1 instant refresh)
PRI -2 points: 20 + 68 + 78 = 166 (Only 1 instant refresh)

Ravikel Sextant


PEN -20 points: 20 + 50 + 60 = 130
TET -16 points: 20 + 54 + 64 = 138
TRI -12 points: 20 + 58 + 68 = 146

DUO -8 points: 20 + 62 + 72 = 154 (Only 1 instant refresh unless doing Ship Material: 20 + 62 (Ship Material) + 62 (Trade item) = 144)
PRI: -4 points: -4 points: 20 + 66 + 76 = 162 (Only 1 instant refresh)

I like he Idea but I'd have to say that PA gota make some kind of Tome for that one. It would be nice if we had Mastery Tool specific to Sailing and a Tome specific to Bartering same with the the already existing Crop for Training and a Tome for Trading as well. Both Bartering and Trading arent related to Mastery and it would be nice if we had a Tome which includes Buffs for both Trade and Barter.
I'd rather have the Mastery Tool somehow stay specifc to Sailing and no't include Barter same as with the Crop.

Lv Privat
VMora
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 14. Sep 2023, 13:25 (UTC)
# 17

The mistake you both are doing here is that you see a manos sailing tool as bartering manos tool.
Bartering does not need buffs or tools. it's easy af already. What bartering needs is to be able to be done non stop by those who like it and be a decent source of silver income compared to the effort done when ship building (it needs a rework of parley, or it to be completely gone, and more refreshes whithout any sort of CD). Right now, without VP, you don't have any CD, you can do your two windows back to back. having a VP is actually bad for bartering but good for PA that awnts people connected in the game.

Don't forget that sailing can be done actively, actually playing the game and pressing keys more than 1 time every few minutes. And that happens in margoria when killing stuff... at lekra, crocs, and now pirate fleet. The rest of zones (except maybe candidums) are so useless, no one is there. And margoria bartering is still going from A to B only watching the compass from time to time.
Active players should be the ones benefiting most from it.

bartering is not sailing. It's comparable to afk horse. Going in circles making some clics here and there.
tool can have bartering effects, but don't forget bartering is only a part of sailing, a very little one.

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NotFluffy
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 14. Sep 2023, 20:24 (UTC)
# 18
On: Sep 14, 2023, 13:25 (UTC), Written by Fluffy

The mistake you both are doing here is that you see a manos sailing tool as bartering manos tool.
Bartering does not need buffs or tools. it's easy af already. What bartering needs is to be able to be done non stop by those who like it and be a decent source of silver income compared to the effort done when ship building (it needs a rework of parley, or it to be completely gone, and more refreshes whithout any sort of CD). Right now, without VP, you don't have any CD, you can do your two windows back to back. having a VP is actually bad for bartering but good for PA that awnts people connected in the game.

Don't forget that sailing can be done actively, actually playing the game and pressing keys more than 1 time every few minutes. And that happens in margoria when killing stuff... at lekra, crocs, and now pirate fleet. The rest of zones (except maybe candidums) are so useless, no one is there. And margoria bartering is still going from A to B only watching the compass from time to time.
Active players should be the ones benefiting most from it.

bartering is not sailing. It's comparable to afk horse. Going in circles making some clics here and there.
tool can have bartering effects, but don't forget bartering is only a part of sailing, a very little one.

On: Sep 14, 2023, 13:25 (UTC), Written by Fluffy

The mistake you both are doing here is that you see a manos sailing tool as bartering manos tool.
Bartering does not need buffs or tools. it's easy af already. What bartering needs is to be able to be done non stop by those who like it and be a decent source of silver income compared to the effort done when ship building (it needs a rework of parley, or it to be completely gone, and more refreshes whithout any sort of CD). Right now, without VP, you don't have any CD, you can do your two windows back to back. having a VP is actually bad for bartering but good for PA that awnts people connected in the game.

Don't forget that sailing can be done actively, actually playing the game and pressing keys more than 1 time every few minutes. And that happens in margoria when killing stuff... at lekra, crocs, and now pirate fleet. The rest of zones (except maybe candidums) are so useless, no one is there. And margoria bartering is still going from A to B only watching the compass from time to time.
Active players should be the ones benefiting most from it.

bartering is not sailing. It's comparable to afk horse. Going in circles making some clics here and there.
tool can have bartering effects, but don't forget bartering is only a part of sailing, a very little one.

Usualy my opinion was set on like that but after the Sailing Mastery Tool was mentioned to other ppl they started talking about what would benefit Bartering mostly even on discord isntead of Sailing. For the more wanted Barter Bonuses PA can think of another Sea Suggested Quest Line giving a Tome. I think the following Stats would be more accurate to be Sailing Mastery Tool:

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: +400(PEN)

Sailor EXP: +20%

Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: +20%

Ration Consumption: -40%

Lv Privat
VMora
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 15. Sep 2023, 01:11 (UTC)
# 19
On: Sep 14, 2023, 13:25 (UTC), Written by Fluffy

The mistake you both are doing here is that you see a manos sailing tool as bartering manos tool.
Bartering does not need buffs or tools. it's easy af already. What bartering needs is to be able to be done non stop by those who like it and be a decent source of silver income compared to the effort done when ship building (it needs a rework of parley, or it to be completely gone, and more refreshes whithout any sort of CD). Right now, without VP, you don't have any CD, you can do your two windows back to back. having a VP is actually bad for bartering but good for PA that awnts people connected in the game.

Don't forget that sailing can be done actively, actually playing the game and pressing keys more than 1 time every few minutes. And that happens in margoria when killing stuff... at lekra, crocs, and now pirate fleet. The rest of zones (except maybe candidums) are so useless, no one is there. And margoria bartering is still going from A to B only watching the compass from time to time.
Active players should be the ones benefiting most from it.

bartering is not sailing. It's comparable to afk horse. Going in circles making some clics here and there.
tool can have bartering effects, but don't forget bartering is only a part of sailing, a very little one.

Not sure why you're assuming that I see a sailing tool as a bartering tool. Yes bartering is a large part of sailing, and yes barterers also benefit from reducing the points required to instant refresh, but so does everyone. Everyone who has built their own ship has done extensive amounts of bartering already and the cooldown is a large gatekeeper to those who would like to get into sailing. You either barter for carrack mats (not everything can be obtained via sailies) or barter for crow coins to build a Panokseon. You even said it yourself that bartering needs to be done non stop and while I agree with you, I don't think PA will make that significant of a change, which is why I'm suggesting the instant refresh points reduction. So we can barter non stop for a certain period of time before going out and doing other activities.

I don't personally care much about the Parley reduction or the increased Parley per refresh, but if that's what a large portion of the sailing community wants then I'm fine with it, but I don't think I should be just adding to the list which is why I decided to replace the Parley reduction for the Instant Refresh points reduction that benefits everyone. Currently I need to barter for crow coins to work on upgrading my Panokseon and also to buy Moss Removers. Margoria Pirate Fleet drops more maps/hr than crow coins to buy moss removers for, so I have to barter, I just don't want to barter for 2 refreshes, swap out my 10 innocents for 20 confidents then SMH for an hour or two then to swap out my 20 confidents for 10 innocents to do my final barter refresh for the day. Would much prefer to do all 3 refreshes at once then go Margoria Fleet for the rest of the evening.

I do think we should have a SMH area that rewards a lot of crow coins/hr so that those who don't want to barter don't have to, but that's not the topic of this dicussion.

Lv Privat
Whoayeah
Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 15. Sep 2023, 01:19 (UTC)
# 20
On: Sep 14, 2023, 20:24 (UTC), Written by Shmoky

Usualy my opinion was set on like that but after the Sailing Mastery Tool was mentioned to other ppl they started talking about what would benefit Bartering mostly even on discord isntead of Sailing. For the more wanted Barter Bonuses PA can think of another Sea Suggested Quest Line giving a Tome. I think the following Stats would be more accurate to be Sailing Mastery Tool:

Name: Manos Sextant
Sailing Mastery: +400(PEN)

Sailor EXP: +20%

Sailor Chance of Higher Stats per Level Up: +20%

Ration Consumption: -40%


Another suggestion would be to increase the pet loot radius? We can only have 1 Jojo and there have been a lot of complaints about looting the new Margoria Fleet being a bit difficult. 

Lv Privat
Whoayeah
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