The guy has a point.

When they release new areas there aren't any places you can grind in full season tuvala so the newer players are left out from day 1 in many cases. In winterland sure there was a new main story but after that you need much better gear to grind there.. It happens alot.. it's the point I think he/she trying to make. 

They make new areas less than 25% of the players can actually grind and then nerf classes based on the top 1% performance of the 25% that can go.  

It's not very conducive to new player enjoyment after a season or two tops.. alot of people get bored grinding to 281k and quit, having to spend months killing the same exact monsters. 

? There's plenty of areas to grind at that gear level. I don't get why there needs to be a low AP gear spot in every zone. Also soft cap Tuvala is  240ish AP higher if you claim the accessories from the season 248 AP if you were to grab a pen neck . 261 AP is not hard to get anymore if you just play the game. Personally I spent a lot of my 240ish AP time in kratuga. But honestly doing a test at centaurs now even though it's rough on some classes is 400 mil in an hour which is bonkers money for how squishy they are

You're arguing that they need to develop spots for Tuvala gear players in new regions when there are already 20+ spots Tuvala players can go.  What a complete waste of dev time and money.  Tuvala players are new -- these 20+ spots will be "new" to them as it is and the content is already made.  "Killing the exact same monsters" -- bruh that's what end-game grinding is like.  You know how much silver my next upgrade will take?  100+ BILLION.  Tuvala players next upgrade costing less than 10 Bil -- they can grind at at least 10 - 15 spots and make huge strides towards 10 bil, making 300, 400, 500 -- even up to 700 million on a lucky hour.  Think in terms of ratio and see how this calculates to get the picture.

End-game players, I'm talking about 300+ AP have, what, 3 solo spots?  Hexe, Gyfin UG, Quint.

Tell me how long does it take to reach 301, 305, 309 Kutum, on average?  At least a couple of years, hardcore player, extreme RNG carry or P2W.  How are you going to complain when new players in Tuvala -- literal 2 month players -- can make around the same, or MORE, silver in at least 10 spots that are already developed than a lot of the newly developed spots?

Agian, here are the top money earning spots.  Let's be perfectly objective here and you can see grind spots are skewed heavily in new player (200 - 240 AP) and mid-game (250 - 270 AP) players when you think in silver-income vs next-upgrade terms.  So many spots to choose from, difference in silver-income differences being ~20-30mil an hour.

Again, you're talking of complete waste of dev time and money.  "New content for Tuvala players".  There's tons of spots for Tuvala players already -- literal boat load, and they're new, so what's developed already will be "new' to them.  This is an MMO.  You PROGRESS to GAIN ACCESS to NEW CONTENT.  You're speaking outta your _ _ _.  We need more end-game spots, I'm 309K and stuck at Hexe and Gyfin UG -- higher intensity spots where I could die to mobs if I don't play right, I need to execute full combos, keep track of add-on procs, all that, where Tuvala Timmy can grind 10-15 spots literally perma-Echo Walking through mobs while scratching their nuts.

Only few classes are good at the new spots, plus you need very good gear to make more income that any of the existing grinding spots. So that makes 95% of playerbase locked out of this new content. 

You should really give your conclusion about this, because we don't know where you're going with this post. 

Do you think that every medium geared player should be able to go and grind on every spot?

Does it sound strange that some spots may have heavy gear requirements? 

Players don't want to play on Kratuga for a lifetime.

Players want fair and progressive system (like jetina) to obtain black stars pens and acc pens.

No pens = no game. Period.

Please stop this garmoth.com crap. 

I have said many times that this data has nothing to do with the truth because:

1. I don't sell my drop, also what drop? Every player needs caphrases and black stones (to change them for caphrases). Middle end and high end zones don't have any other value loot for sell (new high end acc are lottery, you can play 5 hours and zero acc).

2. So we only count trash. But WITHOUT agris and scroll. Why? Because we speak about typical one hour profit. Not "lucky" hour on private marni. 

So numbers in this table should be halved so that they show real earnings per hour.

Also playing these zones with 280 AP is nonsense because our efficiency is very low and that's why a lot of people play, for example, on Sulfur, where after increasing value of the trash in Valencia, you can easily and without risk earn almost the same.

I'm 284 / 371. Tell me where to play so I don't have to collect 1,5 trillion in 20 years. Yes, we speak about trillions!!! And this is still not true end game gear. Just 3 black stars pen weapons, tungrad pens and distortion pens. How much will a full fallen god pen set + deboraka pens cost? 10 trillions? 20? ROTFL.

Don't cry to me dude.  This is objective, cold-hard, global data that directly contradicts you, so I can see why you'd be crying.  But it's standard -- and has been standard -- to include ALL SOURCES of income when talking of "silver per hour".  Everything is silver in BDO -- time = silver, Caphra's = silver, literally every item is equatable to silver.

"Trash loot per hour" is one thing.  "Silver per hour" is another.  It is plain, objective reality that, when it comes to silver per hour, Tuvala Timmy in TRI Tuvala can make very close to average silver per hour in spots where they can Echo Walk on a Valk while scratching their nuts, eating Hot Pockets, and taking bathroom breaks in the middle of mobs. 

It's crazy, invalidates the need to gear-up, and is devalues the time investment required to access top spots, when low-end makes almost the same amount of silver.  Why gear up for PvE at all?  This is simply one of the many things wrong with BDO ATM.  I hope the devs can address these things -- PvE gear valuing player's time and PvP balance are the big ones to me.

I know objective reality isn't your strong point, but talking about getting PEN FG armor, and maxed out items on every slot, as if you're entitled to it, without putting in the effort required is simply stupid opinion beyond measure.  Talking like, "I want  a Ferrari, Lambo, and 200 million dollar mansion -- but NO!  I want to work at McDonald's my whole life!!!  UNFAIR!!!!"  GTFO dude.

I really don't want to type out all the locations you can get money at that AP level. Because it would be a long list. I said kratuga because that's where  I liked to go. There are many locations you could go actually take the time to look lmfao .

In terms of the garenteed PEN stuff  I'm glad it was added to the game but it's the time they are bringing out the new armors past that now. I doubt we will see a garenteed black star system if anything what will happen is pen caphra 20 weapon is going to convert to a new weapon past pen black star. We won't see garenteed fallen god until the next stuff after that is introduced  and so on.

Even with a full PEN tuvala alt I have a better income than you. :) No wonder you have a negative income.

This is BDO, you're always poor lol. If you're not, you either somehow managed to get all of the best gear or you don't have plans on doing that. You can't really play in Elvia with Tuvala at least I have never been able to efficiently. You can do Forest Ronaros, Trees, Silver Mines and if you like them you could do centaurs and I head sycraia if you did the books (never tried since I don't grind much with tuvala) but not much else for money. All of which (pure trash loot) will net about 200-300mil silver per hour. If you're lucky you may get good loot but you shouldn't consider this since it's pure RNG and unreliable. At trees you can get maybe 2-4 belts per hour which is an extra 200mil silver and whatever else you can get. So technically around 400-500mil silver without item drop buffs.

https://grumpygreen.cricket/bdo-grinding-spots/

If you want a more guarantee method of income you would do lifeskill. 200-300mil/hr. with <10bn silver invested in gear assuming you saved your shakatu seals for the accessories. Convert that into 700m-1.3bn silver through AFK crafting. People say hunting with enough mastery will gain over 1bn/hr although I'm not a hunter.

I'd also like to mention that when you're in a party and you use Agris, your agris is consumed even when the other party member picks up your loot. This is written in the description and whether it is true or not I don't know and have no way of knowing but I just go by definition and assume it's the case.

Feel free to prove me wrong or inform me how to do it better, I'm not much of a grinder and play very casually but based on experience I can't see how one could do Elvia with Tuvala gear and do better than the normal realm unless I misunderstood what you were saying.