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Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol
20. Okt 2022, 09:08 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Jan 2023, 17:08 (UTC)
# 81

I am happy about Shai skills' state (besides a block and a disengage skill). But all I want to do right now is tag Maegu or Woosa and check out new classes instead of being forced to reroll weapons every time or play on Tuvala Gear. It's just sad to be cut off from this convenient mechanic.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 19. Jan 2023, 17:27 (UTC)
# 82

Another week, another one coming to wait.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 20. Jan 2023, 02:49 (UTC)
# 83

+1 

Currently, Shai are not able to use any "awakening" weapons (understandable, since they are considered talent weapons instead, even though they ALSO have damage skills.)
The stats of the Artina Sol match that of a Dandelion, however, Dandelions are able to be purchased via the Central Market, have a higher base rate of enhancement, and players are able to use Caphras Stones.

As it stands currently, reaching a PEN: Artina Sol is about as difficult as reaching a PEN: Blackstar awakening weapon, which is incredibly time-consuming, expensive, and stressful. However, Shai do not get any benefits for such a difficult enhancement, save for the 4% increase to buff skills. Losing out on AP as well as accuracy from using Caphras Stones makes later game content difficult to enjoy. On top of this, if you tag a Shai (either gear coming from or going to), they are not able to make use of their awakening weapon or receive a copy of one from another class. Shai players are forced to reroll weapons to test out other classes, or just use Tuvala gear. You are able to tag the Tuvala Sol, but not Artinas Sol. I don't understand the reason for this. 

If you decide to ignore these facts and happen to gear your Shai and tag another character and just put an awakening weapon on them, you run into another issue; Tagged characters cannot trade.

Shai is a gathering-heavy character in terms of her passives and her starting skills. Most people I know use their Shai as an exclusive gathering character, which is fair. However, many players, including myself, are also Shai mains.
I am aware this is not a Shai-exclusive problem, but throughout the world of BDO, regardless of the content you do, you occasionally end up with trade items that drop from mobs/gathering/fishing. You're basically forced to untag to remove these items, or just delete them, which is a profit loss when doing any content.
Due to the current system in place, you are unable to remove any of these items from the inventory of any currently tagged character.
There are many circulating ideas in the community forums, such as locking the other tagged character while a trade item is in inventory until the item is sold/removed, preventing tagged characters from picking up any item that puts a pack on the player's back, or simply allowing players to sell or store looted trade items from mob/gathering/fishing drops, but it seems like all of these have gone unanswered. 

While I understand the tag-trade system is likely implemented to prevent exploitations, it's disheartening to see the issue be unanswered/unnoticed/ignored for so long. 

I really enjoy Shai, but it feels like I, as well as the rest of the Shai mains, are being punished for it. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 20. Jan 2023, 05:52 (UTC)
# 84

 

Understanding PA and how to talk to them about shai:

 

Any request we make for shai has to fit into PA’s Undisclosed but ridged plans. Cus they are not very public about their long term strategies, we have to guess and snoops for info, that said;

 

Shai is a marketing tool, a social tool and highly restricted due to this why?

 

To make sure the right people find the right class. They don’t want people pvp on shai. (i know this is pve realted post, gonna have to read on then :P)

 

They don’t really want players pushing levels gear progression with ease.

 

They wish to attract to this class; the new, passive , social and friendly. This is so PA can step into the social aspect of online a bit more. This is where the safe money is.

 

Social communities invent their own content and stay in the environment they found each other in. They build communities and things to do that are not depended on the games state or completable content (they are not waiting on the next things and thinking, ‘how fast cant I get….’.)

 

This is what shai is, this is why shai is precious to PA.

 

We have to understand that they wrote out these plans a long time ago and invested. Our investment in the class, money especially, is a bonus to them it would seem, but will not change their mind, as they have no other method of stepping into that area of online social community. (They have tried to move some of the more pvp orientated shai off the class with things like corsair, good try but it isn’t shai)

 

PA will risk losing players because it would rather keep the player that fit shai intended target audience, rather than change the class to fit the people playing it now (they gave use a little and took most of it back, milked the player base for cash)…. But there is a mix out there, I have looked

 

(wanted) Musicians; Dedicated and hardly grind at all some of them .(When instruments came out, some you could buy, they didn’t have the cash), spend all day playing music and chatting, spend huge amount of time in the game and buy stuff. Bal 2 [i think, it very late now:P] EU if you wish to see an example

 

(wanted)Life skillers; Well this is a half myth because shai is outclassed by musa :P Sure shai has extra exp, but that is outdate due to seasons. She has bag space and sit at storage on a lot of accounts. This is why I’ve always been ticked off at this, it’s what they wanted but they refuse to give her too much (common trait we see for shai), in case it causes min/max re-rolls of the wrong sort.

 

(wanted) fashionistas. People that are gonna dress up and socialize (me :P )

 

(Not wanted) Memes: Not so much now, but still get some. Someone hits end game and they either make a full DP shai (why the normal players never got the eva rate as state in creation text…memers) or start ones shotting with an AP shai (this is failure that shai can do this and its due to PA's DR modeling and not shai being OP, would need a video to explain that proper)

(wanted)  Support: PA don’t mind this so much, this is part of their plans, High DP buff and cc bots, but as we seen, somethings get nerfed or broken if shai steps out of line (RBF bubbles) She is there to serve and not command.

 

(Not wanted) AP PvPer; Not in PA's plans, not what they want at all. Did you know shai came out with Class Wide (before interclass modifiers) 95% reduction? We are at 50% now because the class would have died at the start(I don’t mind the 50% I love the challenge, but the broken and ignored things, that downright disrespectful of PA), expect for striker that has a bug that PA will not fix cus they don’t care (50%+50% =75% yes only gunlets have the base rate applies twice, Gauntlets get and extra 25% protecton VS shais that no othere class gets.. that makes striker and mystic broken, but as it doesn’t give shai and advantage like when shai did 100% damage to drak and was fixed in 2 weeks, the guntlet bug has never been addresses, nor do I think the CM have properly reported it, 3 years now… still waiting for a reason why it is, or have it fix like ninja was!)

 

(Not wanted) RED shai: Who knows.. Think PA try sometimes to take the on bord, offer them something to try and keep a handle on them.

 

Shai at the top of Pve as a balance for no pvp? (Not wanted) why?

 

People min max, so they will pick shai for that reason. Means more ugly shais, silly shai, aggressive and powerful shai. Not what PA have planned, this is why thy are holding out on the sol?

 

These are the thing you have to work around if you want PA to listen, and understanding this, if you craft a suggestions with Reasoning and foundation the CM must pass it on as you wrote it… this is why is 110% important any CM passes on your suggestion faithfully. Not some cut down interpretation of that they think you mean.

 

This is why you are so ignored, even if you know you are being reasonable.

Kicker here is; I’m fine with PA’s direction for shai. Last years I voice worried that PA may change shai, give up and make here a standard pvp class. J addressed this at the ball, he said ‘don’t worry…’, shai will not be a pvp class, so the plans go ahead (paraphrasing).

What I do fight for, that the borken things are fix. That unreasonably restriction that hurt the player PA wants too attact , are addressed.

But PA Think we are to thick to understand their plans and wants, and ingore feedback on shai's mechanical needs… maybe a CM should translate what I posted in full and they will understand, I understand.

 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 31. Jan 2023, 13:12 (UTC)
# 85
On: Jan 20, 2023, 05:16 (UTC), Written by Snoods

 

Understanding PA and how to talk to them about shai:

 

Any request we make for shai has to fit into PA’s Undisclosed but ridged plans. Cus they are not very public about their long term strategies, we have to guess and snoops for info, that said;

 

Shai is a marketing tool, a social tool and highly restricted due to this why?

 

etc... 

Shai = node and siege class

she was made to do this activity, just like archer was. 

it our duty now to try and change PA's mind about this and convice them to make her more of a whole class. 

PA... please give us a clear position on this. 

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 31. Jan 2023, 17:03 (UTC)
# 86

I support this suggestion

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 01. Feb 2023, 23:27 (UTC)
# 87

Another week i wait.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Feb 2023, 01:04 (UTC)
# 88

First, we want to thank Adventurer Blondiie and everyone else who took the time and effort to share their feedback. From the discussion in this thread, the common point of feedback seems to relate to how Shai's Talent weapon, Artina Sol, does not match other weapons in various factors such as character tagging and weapon exchange coupons. 


To give some context, when we designed Shai, we tried a new approach in her class development that deemphasized combat efficiency and competitiveness – and instead, placed greater focus on more unique aspects such as her musical instruments and starting life skills. This led to Shai being the only class with a Talent and the sole wielder of the talent weapon, Sol. And since her PvP and PvE were balanced around this fact, we believe her current PvE performance is at a capable level even without monster damage bonuses from the Blackstar Awakening weapon. 


Of course, we do fully understand that Adventurers may not be satisfied with this fact placing limitations on selling or copying Shai's Artina Sol. However, we hope to preserve Shai's exceptional position within the class roster of Black Desert by maintaining our original intentions behind the class. 


As a result, we hope you will understand that we do not have any current plans to change Shai's Artina Sol. Nevertheless, we will continue to challenge ourselves to try to give Shai more unique aspects that do not exist in the world of the Black Desert. (Modified Line for Clarification) 


Once again, thank you to everyone who shared their feedback in the thread.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Feb 2023, 00:52 (UTC)
# 89
On: Feb 1, 2023, 23:59 (UTC), Written by [GM]Altin

First, we want to thank Adventurer Blondiie and everyone else who took the time and effort to share their feedback. From the discussion in this thread, the common point of feedback seems to relate to how Shai's Talent weapon, Artina Sol, does not match other weapons in various factors such as character tagging and weapon exchange coupons. 


To give some context, when we designed Shai, we tried a new approach in her class development that deemphasized combat efficiency and competitiveness – and instead, placed greater focus on more unique aspects such as her musical instruments and starting life skills. This led to Shai being the only class with a Talent and the sole wielder of the talent weapon, Sol. And since her PvP and PvE were balanced around this fact, we believe her current PvE performance is at a capable level even without monster damage bonuses from the Blackstar Awakening weapon. 


Of course, we do fully understand that Adventurers may not be satisfied with this fact placing limitations on selling or copying Shai's Artina Sol. However, we hope to preserve Shai's exceptional position within the class roster of Black Desert by maintaining our original intentions behind the class. 


As a result, we hope you will understand that we do not have any current plans to change Shai's Artina Sol. Nevertheless, we will continue to try to push our boundaries and give Shai more unique aspects that do not exist in the world of the Black Desert. 


Once again, thank you to everyone who shared their feedback in the thread.

Then where is our real life bennefits? Musa is a better lifeskiller. Give us some real good life passives? Something, mastery.
We only have 1 real passive. Maybe 2. Improve "Gather Around" Vacuum. That uniqueness, yet we don't really have real life benefits.

Give us something really good for lifeskill apart from weight then.

And where is our compensation for no jetina?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Feb 2023, 01:36 (UTC)
# 90
On: Feb 2, 2023, 00:52 (UTC), Written by GreenShadow

Then where is our real life bennefits? Musa is a better lifeskiller. Give us some real good life passives? Something, mastery.
We only have 1 real passive. Maybe 2. Improve "Gather Around" Vacuum. That uniqueness, yet we don't really have real life benefits.

Give us something really good for lifeskill apart from weight then.

And where is our compensation for no jetina?

+1

I made a Woosa for my Season character last time 'round.  (Aw, yeah, who didn't?  I'm saving Maegu for next season.)  After a few rounds of gathering, she's just as good as a Shai starting out., thanks to the very generous Season buffs.  (Don't nerf these, PA!!!) Also, I had her turn in some Mysterious Catalysts, and her Alchemy is just as good as a Shai's.

Soon, all classes will be able to play instruments.

Shais are all being left behind in the dust.

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