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Do the devs intend on addressing the green off-hand META?
26. Apr 2023, 21:36 (UTC)
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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Mai 2023, 18:54 (UTC)
# 21
On: May 2, 2023, 15:15 (UTC), Written by Josiah

If they nerf it players will just quite. Newer players invested a lot of money in this as a good alternative.

They need to keep it as it is. We need quicker ways to catch up.

Newer players do not benefit from accuracy or evasion OH's in PvE nor PvP as their AP and/or accuracy will be too low to benefit -- they'll still be using Tuvala / Nesser, which is fine for Centaurs and Potion spots.  Likewise for PvP.  There have been introduced so many catchup mechanics added recently from Season, to, like 90% of all organized PvP being gear capped, to free PEN Capotias, new region not needing gear, to so much more.

The fundamental problem here being discussed is about value vs performance and that can be addressed in many more ways than simply "nerfing it" like you suggested.

Keep in mind BDO is an MMORPG.  One of the main points of MMO's is progression.  An end-end-end-game item (PEN Blackstar) performing worse than a tier 1 grade (green) item in this many cases makes zero sense from a game design standpoint.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Mai 2023, 20:48 (UTC)
# 22

What i see is only shouting to nerf green offhand weapon because youtubers said so. Months ago all of you didn't even mention about this. All those peeps with bs pen offhand weapon comes here and crying river. Shame on you all. Leave it this as it is. Diversity.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 03. Mai 2023, 12:31 (UTC)
# 23
On: May 2, 2023, 20:48 (UTC), Written by M43cin

What i see is only shouting to nerf green offhand weapon because youtubers said so. Months ago all of you didn't even mention about this. All those peeps with bs pen offhand weapon comes here and crying river. Shame on you all. Leave it this as it is. Diversity.

If you read my post in this thread not once did I mention nerfing the green off-hand. I gave points that PA developers could take to keep every off-hand in the game relevent, since you need green off- hand to combat evasion stacking champions in the PvP environment.


I just think they need to do a better job of QC/QA before they hit the "Activate" button on changes that affect everything in the game.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 02. Mai 2023, 21:47 (UTC)
# 24
On: May 2, 2023, 20:48 (UTC), Written by M43cin

What i see is only shouting to nerf green offhand weapon because youtubers said so. Months ago all of you didn't even mention about this. All those peeps with bs pen offhand weapon comes here and crying river. Shame on you all. Leave it this as it is. Diversity.

Months ago we did not had reworked crystal system, which caused the issue in the firstplace.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 00:09 (UTC)
# 25
On: May 2, 2023, 20:48 (UTC), Written by M43cin

What i see is only shouting to nerf green offhand weapon because youtubers said so. Months ago all of you didn't even mention about this. All those peeps with bs pen offhand weapon comes here and crying river. Shame on you all. Leave it this as it is. Diversity.

This issue has been discussed on the forum since crystal preset release.

https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/Forum/ForumTopic/Detail?_topicNo=25755&_page=8

See post #72 by ReconKangas on January 8th.  He's in my guild and knowledge of green OH has been known days after crystal preset system.  People have been using green OH for PVP and PVE since then.  I, ReconKangas, others in my guild and alliance, siege guild players, other PVP guild players -- have ALL been using green OH for PVP and PVE since crystal presets came out  -- it's only now that information is starting to leak to everyone else.  I've known -- and discussed on this forum -- how strong green OH is for months, so please do your research before you assert illsighted assumptions.  Shame on YOU.

Like I said in the OP:  "Build diversity is important, and I do not intend on diminishing the innate value of accuracy and evasion offhands.  It just doesn't make sense to me why a 150 bil item would be worse than a 25 bil one, in this many cases, for both PvE and PvP from a game design standpoint.  Where's the motivation to gear up these days?"  Why don't you answer the topics brought up in the OP instead of trying to derail this thread into misguided finger pointing?

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 00:28 (UTC)
# 26
On: May 2, 2023, 21:11 (UTC), Written by Graugus

If you read my post in this thread not once did I mention nerfing the green off-hand. I gave points that PA developers could take to keep every off-hand in the game relevent, since you need green off- hand to combat evasion stacking champions in the PvP environment.


I just think they need to do a better job of QC/QA before they hit the "Activate" button on changes that affect everything in the game.

Exactly, no one is asking for a nerf here.  What is being discussed is how TF does it even make sense?

Fact = PEN BS with Garmoth Heart is about 150 bil. 

Fact = C14 (max AP) green OH is about 17 bil. 

Fact = This makes PEN BS OH about 9x more expensive than C14 green OH.

Fact = Green OH outperforms PEN BS at all of Serendia Elvia, most of Calpheon Elvia, Gyfin UG, Sycria, all potion piece spots, and more -- granted players are able to surpass the AP caps.

Fact = This is only possible if players have high AP through accessories + mainhand and awakening weapon, since surpassing AP caps is step 1 in maximizing the effectiveness of green OH in PVE. 

THUS -- This doesn't benefit new players -- this benefits END GAME PLAYERS.  This doesn't serve as a catchup mechanic, since new players will not be going for PEN yellow accessories -- they'll be going for prior upgrades first.  This goes for PVP as well.  END GAME PLAYERS have enough AP to hit meaningful brackets, like 293+ with accuracy or evasion OH and 305+ with green AP offhand.  New players will barely scratch 269 with Nouver. 

END GAME PLAYERS ARE USING GREEN OH'S IN PVE AND PVP.  THEY'RE THE ONES WHO ARE ABLE TO UTILIZE THIS, (NEW AND MID PLAYERS ARE BETTER OFF USING NESSER / KUTUM).  HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE??

And to make matters worse for new players, higher geared players are using green OH in T3 and below node wars as well, while new players are in Tuvala/Capotia -- further widening the gap in damage ouput in CAPPED PVP.  So, y'all fighting for the little guys here, saying "We NeEd ThIs FoR nEw PlAyErSsS tO cAtCh Up" -- shooting yourself in the foot because this doesn't help new players at all if they can't utilize it to it's actual potential (can't reach AP cap with Capotia accessories + green OH + Chimera Earrings + Kaia Necklace), while players with gear can hit the AP caps while abusing all the Special Attack Modifiers via "special" gear.

Want to actually help out the little guy?  Read other threads where I, Graugus, and Cat here have suggested capped node war use a similar gearing system to AoS -- set gear for everyone.  That way it's ACTUALLY capped, instead of letting overgeared players abuse Special Attack % from "special" gear like green OH.  How about threads where we suggested that AP caps be reworked?  So that spots actually accomodate GS ranges appropriate for the spot and not META classes or abusing green OH's with PEN yellow accs and PEN red main and awakening weapons?  (I'm full V red weapons + full V yellow accs, BTW).

So why are the people against addressing this game design flop crying?  Probably because they want to keep abusing a broken mechanic.  I'm gonna expose all of you broken mechanic abusers with FACTS.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 13:09 (UTC)
# 27

It was pretty cool being me and finally getting my PEN: Blackstar sub-weapon after 57 fails only for green sub-weapons and Nesser to be better right around the exact same time, not even a whole month later. Great design here.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 16:20 (UTC)
# 28
On: May 4, 2023, 13:08 (UTC), Written by Velvy

It was pretty cool being me and finally getting my PEN: Blackstar sub-weapon after 57 fails only for green sub-weapons and Nesser to be better right around the exact same time, not even a whole month later. Great design here.

BDO is not a game where gear progress is logical, and unlike what some wannables screeching, bdo doesn't value your progress.

There are lot of items that are much more expensive/harder to get yet still getting outperformed by other items. Like a PEN disto(up to 200B) being weaker than narc(55B) or heck weaker than some blues (9B).

Or even debo belt, which is actually outpreformed statwise by valtra due to high AP brackets being useless.

PA doesn't care about gear value, or value of progressing in general, just look at the new zone, totally caped, no F is given to your progress, you can just trash it.

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Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 18:54 (UTC)
# 29
On: May 4, 2023, 16:20 (UTC), Written by CatDK

BDO is not a game where gear progress is logical, and unlike what some wannables screeching, bdo doesn't value your progress.

There are lot of items that are much more expensive/harder to get yet still getting outperformed by other items. Like a PEN disto(up to 200B) being weaker than narc(55B) or heck weaker than some blues (9B).

Or even debo belt, which is actually outpreformed statwise by valtra due to high AP brackets being useless.

PA doesn't care about gear value, or value of progressing in general, just look at the new zone, totally caped, no F is given to your progress, you can just trash it.

Because they switched strategy from long standing players to "new"  "seasonal" players, slowly they'll run out of long standing players and game become POE like, start of new season up to 100k online, 2 days after 1k max. which gonna very much backifire them hard, because new/seasonal players have zero loyalty and will move on to a next game.

Zeitpunkt der letzten Änderungen : 04. Mai 2023, 19:58 (UTC)
# 30
On: May 4, 2023, 18:54 (UTC), Written by Potato

Because they switched strategy from long standing players to "new"  "seasonal" players, slowly they'll run out of long standing players and game become POE like, start of new season up to 100k online, 2 days after 1k max. which gonna very much backifire them hard, because new/seasonal players have zero loyalty and will move on to a next game.

Yeah they seems to be desperately trying to bait in new players, but they are also too lazzy to fix new player experience so new players still end up quiting :D

But on the other hand the old players also quit cause the lack of content or improvements for them. Kinda funny how they managed to take the worst from both, but that's hardly surprising, just an example when a product luckily ends up successful and then it declines cause the company behind it lack the required knowledge and missmanage it.

The cream on the top is that these clueless ppl think that with DokeV and Crimson Desert they will going to fix their declining revenue :D

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