Pirates and Sausans were both solo grind spots, but we all had shit enough gear and there were so few servers we had to adapt with making groups and both places happened to have such great mob density it accidentally made it a great group grind spot, but that was definitely not intended. Places like Upper Gyfin, Turos, or Serendia Imps, Serendia Bandits, Padix (before they made it solo) are true group grinds from the get-go. Trees was the first true group grind we got back in the day because everyone who hit the mobs got loot. 

I think there actually has been SOME effort recently to introduce more group content like the incredbly poorly made Dungeons, Murrowak, Turos, and changing Upper Gyfin to be a proper group spot. I just think it's not quite enough. Upper Gyfin is the only end-game grind that is a group grind. Some could argue Turos too but not many are grinding there past getting their chest piece. Murrowak was such an amazing compromise of solo grind with group mechanic that I wish there was more of. You didn't have to spend any time searching for groups and with decent gear you could even do the boss solo just fine, but more people made your gains exponentially better.

That is the point I was making, that the spots are not dynamic.   Even at group spots it is only this exact set of people or you can't do anything.  

yeah but i dont want randoms "just inv me we share loot anyway" if it aint better than solo i will not invinte if its better than solo i'd waste my time grinding solo and am force to endure ppls shit

That is the beauty of a place like Murrowak. You don't have to spend any time grouping and you could grind it solo just fine, but more people means more bosses more often and the bosses die quicker so you make more money per hour. This is the perfect middle ground that satisfies both solo-minded grinders and people who want group grinds. 

I like how the more people grind in a spot, the higher chance that people will get good loot, unless that's a urban legend? But I think this concept makes sense and is nice because it encourages players to not take other people's grind spots and just focus on their own, unspoken territory. Likewise, adding more mobs per region so more people can grind in said location is a good idea I think. To top it off, I think that they could even improve how group / party benefits work rather than completely penalizing players for being in a group. It doesn't have to be dramatically but 50% xp reduction at 3 players is way too much I think. Of course, this may encourage people to force others into a party when they don't want to but minor issues that could probably have a good solution with more thought poured into it.

I don't mind marni's realm because I don't want to be bothered on most days, just relax into my own little world. It's how I play and well, as you know shai can't 1v1 so it's impossible to defend your spot anyway. The problem with marni is that it doesn't support party play and I just want to play with one or three other people sometimes and can't if spots are already taken and well, everyone has to go in their own marni's realm. We'd all grind more if we could play in the style that best suits us. There are a lot of said styles to consider, I don't think changing one or two things is going to be enough to benefit the whole but I do think it's going in the right direction, it just needs further improvements so everyone from solo pve'ers to groups and pvpve'ers can enjoy it. People are heavily divisive because it feels like a half-assed approached that wasn't completely thought through. Hopefully the community continues to provide their own opinions and solutions so this game can be a lot more appealing and fun for everyone.

The more interesting this game is for people, the less empty it'll feel. Just because marni exists, doesn't mean the game will get more empty. It just means more people will keep playing the game after they graduate from season and find out there is open world pvp because I'm pretty confident that most people don't know this is a thing. People are terrible at reading things at least in this game. So it's not that big of a stretch to believe that most players probably don't know this is an open world PvPvE game when they get out of season until someone kills them.

More Marni realm = Big W for pilot services =)))), macros, botters and speed hackers. Why do you think you see them less? 

Actually yes it does, it already had a lot since Marni appeared.

So it will probably be worse.

You can already see no one in town........ Ah yeah, great: afk fishing people! And sometimes 1 who dries something before the storage!

Now, it's even outside the towns that you have no interraction.

I don't think we are playing the same game. There are only 3 Cities that don't have a lot of people in them: Miquin (the red city), Valencia, and Odylita. Ody I still see small amount of people, and Valencia is just so far out of the way there is just no reason to hang out there other than to do the Val1/2 questline. Every other city is always booming even Duvencrune with afk horse riders. 

Major towns with the exception of Valencia City, O'Draxxia and probably Eilton, have always quite a number of people.
Then for minor towns, most have very few people or none to be honest. The only ones i see some people are sometimes Sand Grain Baazar, Shakatu, Glish, Olvia, Old Wisdom Tree, Tooth Fairy Cabin (mostly fishers), Iliya Island (barterers) and finally Port Epheria. And all those are very few people i see.
I always love visiting Florin, adorable place, but so empty player wise :(

If the game gets more empty in the open world then the less i'll use marni. That's what I do right now when a spot is available, I don't bother with Marni. Why would I or anyone want to deal with other players who are interrupting a rotation? DFS? No. Yar for spot? No. Getting PK'd? No. Getting mob fed? No thanks. There are too many issues with the current system unless they drastically improve it. A good temporary measure at least while they figure it out is marni's realm. You seem to care to see people out in the wild but why would you? What difference does it make except bother your grind? Just because it has players online, it doesn't mean you want to interact with those players. Some people like that concept and thrill of possibly being killed by another player and occasionally finding contests with them. But they are few and far in between. For the rest of us, it's more of a hassle and annoyance. I'd rather have marni than deal with DFS every 5 minutes, don't you?