Yeah I doubt even 5% of the new players coming to try this game with stay more than 45 days or 60 hours. Due to the nature on this game's enhancement system not respecting players time. I dare to say not even 2% of the North American new players will stay due to the enhancement system. This game's version of divine mandated destiny is just a corrupted farce in most gamers eyes. Artificially creating haves and have-nots, yeah, that not going to fly with many.

Bdo will be empty once a mmorpg with content and good combat will come.

But for sure is not Throne of liberty.

Also bdo is more casino online then mmorpg online so is more for gambling addicts then for normal mmorpg players xD

Agree, TL will not empty out BDO, but it's forsure going to be an MMO that has the potential to have a good longevity alongside BDO. It's actually an ok game. Really the only thing was the Combat isn't like, amazing but its not horrible either. TL is however yet another example of how the games internal MMO strucutres are set up is something that BDO needs to take notes from.

TL has this really cool thing with dynamic events where certain events are "peace time" and some are "Hostile". The hostile Events also have rewards based on placement. BDO could easilly adopt this. BDO's stance on completely shutting off PVP has been so dumb. Especially the world boss change long ago. I like how TL has it set up. It would be really cool if BDO added more world bosses that maybe dropped the same loot as we have now but rotated their "PVE or PVP enabled" modes for the bosses, that way you actually appease to all kind of players and not just completely shut off a demographic to the community.

I don't know why BDO hasn't taken notes from what good other MMO's had. Yes, lots of these MMO's are flopping but a lot of them also introduced really good ideas. BDO needs to innovate and stop with this single player, PVE only, and capped  non sense. Everybody belongs, add content for all.

BDO IMO should honestly consider copying their Open world dungeon format. Since BDO was supposed to be against instances, their open world dungeon format was actually really sick. Imagine if they redesigned aakman in a way where we entered it thru the open world and for a certain period the doors/gates/portals to aakman closed off and then it's open PVP inside with ramped up rewards. Little things like this would spice up BDO a lot. There was also Respawnable bosses inside these dungeons that players could repeat farm and anyone who tagged it pretty much had a chance at a reward. Needs to stop with this SOLO MODE Only grind in a circle content. Add different forms of PVE and add some actual group content.

My key reason for being so against the 12 hour instanced marni realms a day was because it's extremely ANTI MMORPG and also lazy. It was a lazy way of not adding real instanced content to the game, and instead recycling what we already have. Wasted potential honestly to copy something like Chaos dungeons from lost ark, adding our typical towers (maybe the current boss rush with actual rewards like wtf?), just lots of wasted potential. Instead, they chose to add a lazy instance that incentivizes you to not be in the open world when it's an open world game. What a dumb idea by PA. BDO is almost a hub based game at this point.

I don't even think Enhancement is necessarily the problem. The problem is the lack of meaningful content/Diversity of content/Not being able to play with friends. If they can address these 3 things I think the grind would be a lot better. Also, the rewards are only good in the early game. The mid game of BDO (640~715GS) is completely garbage and boring to most people. That part of the game needs to get touched upon HEAVILY.

I absolutely agree with this, that G.S. range is so boring to me that I'd rather AFK process/alch and semi-afk BARTER of all things, for the next 3 years than try to "catch up" with the wallet warriors who did it in 6 months the so called intended way.

PA didn't just ignore us on the "reaching 640 gs" aspect, clearly they put in a secondary guaranteed PEN route (after they realized they structured the Caphras system completely WRONG) and now they're even opening up a second guaranteed PEN accessory.  Heck, even the Magnus story gives another PEN armor on top of the various Scavenger hunts we already had to hit that magical threashold.

But it's everything after that... where I know I'm not the only one asking "WHY?" ... why spend 2000 more hours of your life at Orcs and Rhutums? ...and 2000 more at Oluns or Gyfin UG?  What exact privilege is behind this gate?  A barren and hideously ugly new zone south of the already very ugly Mediah region?  The same "nodewars" that have whittled down to about 10 active guilds and are about to be converted into some bizzarro battle royal musical chairs system in a coming update?   They also say they're bringing back the Onslaught mode where you have to defend that thing in the middle?....but isn't that technically just an "Escort Mission" where the NPC doesn't even move and it also doesn't have any of the more interesting Building mechanics or precise FPS skill checks of Savage Rift?

I have so many more questions about all of this, but it feels like everyone's Intellectual Curiosity on any remaining potential for this game has just been beat dead into the dirt worse the most Pancaked horse you could imagine.

Shaky is 100 percent on point. I don't think the argument is PvP vs. PvE. I was hoping that this ball would give us something revolutionary, an overall shift for the game, but it seems like more QoL fixes, a cool new class, whatever. As a lifeskiller, account wide lifeskills still aren't really "huge" -- I mean it's not a new lifeskill that improves social interaction. It's more efficiency.

These things are cool but will ultimately be the end of BDO. It feels like if J could think bigger picture at all, node wars would have been improved and more worth doing years ago. It's unfortunate really. I really like this game. New players don't even stick around and ever since the surge, the game has just gone down hill. Gearing at debo points is miserably boring, since there's literally nothing to do but go in circles for eight hours a day or do lifeskilling or dungeon content for "fun" (and only that, maybe) meanwhile new players can achieve all kinds of new gearing methods just to quit in a month when they realize what awaits them. Most players are not cut out for that, as they shouldn't be when fun/entertainment is deliberately ignored. Just the fact that scholar was released so broken, and feels gimped compared to other classes, makes me think they're milking players for money so they can ignore BDO and invest it in greater pursuits.

Big true. As if giving new players a tet bs and a horse are going to make them stay when they see the absolute bullshit that is gear progression în this game. They leave season they leave the game. And tbh I even doubt they will reach that Point if they start în loml rofl. 

It could be true if market place didn't exist. 

If a player comes and thinks enhancing is the only way to go, he may leave for this reason. He also missed many essential informations in this case. 

A player who sees the market place knows that there's another solution to gear up, and choose accordingly. If you're used to grind games, you can progress really far and with a decent pace on BDO until you reach the real moment when enhancing is your only solution.

About PvP, pve... Yeah, I think devs should make a better job at blending them as much as they can, making it sound like a common occurrence. And maybe show that a pvp death in BDO is not a unbearable offence either. People are taking it too seriously. 

It might be true if new players could make 1bil/h but thats not the case. The grind is endless and the reason to do it is just not there. There is nothing new that awaits at that point. And the point is always shifting.